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Bullet question for the 375 Win
« on: November 01, 2004, 11:22:00 AM »
This may sound dumb, but here goes.  Has anyone ever tried cutting the top off the 270gr Hornady spire point bullet to 375 Win lengths?

A jig would be easy to make for consistancy and these bullets are way easier to find than say a 255gr barnes.
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2004, 12:14:06 PM »
Waiting for backorders to come through can take a while, but I think most heavy bullet fans with 375 Winchesters either wait, or cast their own.  The 375 Win. is a great candidate for cast bullets, if you're into that.

As far as modifying bullets intended for the various .375 magnums, I'd be interested in finding out what kind of expansion you could get from them.  If the jackets are so heavy that the bullet can't expand, you might as well be shooting cast.  If the modified bullets expand unevenly, and tumble, that would be unfortunate.

Another option to explore might be swaging.  Not cheap to get started, but maybe you could corner the market on 250 grain bonded-core flatnose bullets for the .375.  Maybe we'll see "Handi-Core bullets for lever guns" up on one of the ad banners in here. :)

Let us know if you try the bullet trimming route, and be sure to test those bullets in wet pack for expansion and penetration before you hunt.
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Bullet question for the 375 Win
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2004, 12:59:56 PM »
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I sure did plan on testing expansion before hunting, but appreciate the reminder.

As far as expansion, I am GUESSING that once the tip is cut back that will make quite a bit larger meplat and might just force the issue of expansion.

Any suggestions on what to shoot into?  Maybe the soaking wet newspaper idea?  How much penetration should I expect?

I'd even thought that if it didn't expand, I'd explore putting a slight series of grooves around the outside of the bullet in front of the cannelure, like some of the varmint bullets. (Just bigger varmints in mind)

I don't think the Handi-core bullet thing will happen, and as for the waiting, that's my weak suit.  it seems like 2 months is the norm.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2004, 04:27:31 PM »
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Any suggestions on what to shoot into?  Maybe the soaking wet newspaper idea?  How much penetration should I expect?


Newspaper is what I use.  In order to get consistent, repeatable results, I remove all the flyers, tv guides, slick ads, and anything besides plain old newsprint.  Let it get absolutely sloppy, saturated wet, for at least a 24 hour soak.  Put it into whatever kind of rack you want to use, so that the bullet will strike straight into the face of each sheet.  I don't compress the sheets together, as this would be hard to exactly replicate.  The paper is just stacked in the shooting box, then the box is tilted back down to a horizontal position.  

Penetration to the vitals is what does the job, especially in slow moving cartridges.  If your trimmed jacketed bullets had a wide meplat, they'd be fine with no expansion.  It's uneven expansion, and tumbling, that I would worry about in your experiment.  Maybe, while that bullet is still in the trim die, you could try giving the nose a whack with a punch, to make a hollow point.  It would be easy to make the punch so that it only goes in to a set, uniform depth.  Maybe you could experiment with some of the bullet nose punches made for muzzle loader bullets.  Trying to anneal jackets, or otherwise enhance expansion, seems like it's more work that it's worth.

I like loads that go through at least 18"-24" or more of soaked newsprint, but that's with elk in mind.  Expanding bullets with high sectional density can reach this, and non-expanding bullets will easily punch far deeper.  Penetration in meat will be deeper than in newsprint.

Good luck, this sounds like a good winter time experiment.
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Bullet question for the 375 Win
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2004, 07:51:47 PM »
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Elk in tight brush is exactly what I had in mind.  Long range elk I'll use my 30-06 (or my 338-06 if I change the barrel of my Savage) (project #5) :grin:

The punch is a good idea.  I'd kind thought about a drill press.

Thanks for the info on the news print.  Yes this will be a good winter project.  Number 4 on my list.

#1 Finish painting my Savage 30-06 (see "parkerizing post")

#2 Build the XS style mount for said 375 Win BB and mount my reddot

#3 Finish building my jeep camping trailer

#4 Do the 270gr bullet experiement

The 200gr (maybe 220) bullets will be fine for deer and black bear as far as I'm concerned.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2004, 05:49:58 PM »
Well I ordered the 270gr Hornady's, Lee dies and crimp die, so soon that experiment will get under way. :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2004, 06:40:36 PM »
Good deal!  Let us know how it goes.  That Lee factory crimp die will let you put a good crimp on that bullet, even if the groove is in the wrong spot for a 375 Winchester.  Corbin will be happy to sell you a cannelure machine, if you get really serious about your "custom" bullets.  

It's nice to see someone go through with a project, and keep us posted.  It gets kind of rare, sometimes.  Thanks.
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Bullet question for the 375 Win
« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2004, 08:21:24 PM »
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I plan on cutting the nose off the bullet, making it a flat nose bullet.  At the same time it will make the bullet length from the canelure to the tip the same as a 200gr 375 Win.

I chose the 270 spire point bullet because it had less in front of the canelure than the round nose did.

This will give me the correct COAL and provide more bearing surface and more of the bullet "shank" for deeper penetration, at least that is my theory.

I'm also counting on the fact that since this bullet is more than likely made for the 375 H&H that its thicker jacket will somewhat retard the expansion of the bullet shank.  I'm hoping the nose will flare open quickly due to the point being removed and the nose being made very flat, instead of a spire point.

Here is a pic of the bullets I ordered.



We'll see!
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