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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2003, 05:27:16 PM »
DR. Michael,
Does this apply only to "proffessional" or for resale weapons or does it apply to me modifying my own weapon for me?

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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2003, 11:53:57 AM »
I believe custom has many different levels.No one person can say what a custom rifle is.I have a Savage M1899H in 22 Savage Hi-Power.It was converted from a lightweight takedown(20in),to a medium weight solid(22in),and has custom wood work.Is that a custom gun?

I have a 6.5x55 Swed with a McMillan stock,factory barrel with sights removed with custom bolt,drilled and tapped for scope.Is that custom?

I have a Mauser M3000 in 284win.It is all factory except 284win barrel.Is that a custom?

I have a Marlin Mod. 375S,which was a Glenfield 30A with a Marlin 375win barrel.Is that a custom?

I have a Win M1886 in 510KE,a Savage M99R in 416/284Win,a Marlin M336 in 7MM STE and a Savage M99EG in Ackley Savage Improved.Most have very little work done,except to action and custom barrels in the new calibers,wood is original.All are stamped with new caliber on barrel,but otherwise are factory looking.Are they considered customs?

See it ain't that easy to say whats a custom and whats not!
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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2003, 05:04:15 PM »
hello,
firstly I just poped in to this forum and I must say I really enjoyed reading it.
A custom gun - in my opinion- is any modification to its barrel, chamber, action,  I do own one it is based on the rem 700 action it is rem .260, with Gaillard custom (hunter countour) barrel, HS Precision stock, but it still have factory trigger, next year I will put in titanium trigger and wolff springs.  Ted Gaillard builded and customized this rifle for me and I must say he put his heart into it, it shoots really nice the best group so far (I have not been playing with it too much) is 4 shots in the 1 1/4 and the fith is making the group about 2 1/2 inch at .... 400 meters (+/ - 10).  I shot 2 groups that were almost identical both using Lapua 139 gr Scenars. both groups under or just about 1/2 minute of angle. I love it.
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somebody tell me
« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2003, 03:37:25 PM »
Somebody tell me if this is custom.
  I bought a 1944 Model 98 action from my brother.
  It was made in Bystica Slovakia during the war by
 the same people that make weapons in Brno in the
 Czech Republic.
  I sent it off to ERShaw to get a barrel made and installed.
  I got to totally design the barrel that I wanted.
  I opted for the moly steel 25 inches number 3 contour(.700"),
 with a 1 in 9.5" twist chambered for the .280 Remington, finished in
 a gloss blue.
  I then ordered a JRS stock from Boyds in walnut, finished it to a
 nice satin finish, filed the barrel groove to fit the oversize barrel.
  I then had the reciever tapped and installed a Redfield base and
 ring set and topped it with a BSA 6x24x40mm Contender scope.
  I handload with 57gr of H4831 powder and Hornady 139gr Spire
 Point bullet.
  Custom or not, she shoots like a dream.
   My first "built" gun...I'm hooked. :wink:
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« Reply #34 on: October 29, 2003, 04:26:48 PM »
MrYeats,

It sounds like a custom to me. - You fit it to what you wanted - the barrel, and stock. If it didn't come off the shelf that way I figure its a custom.

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« Reply #35 on: October 29, 2003, 05:08:26 PM »
We could rate guns like cars. There is the stock, the modified stock,pro
stock,gassers and funny. Which do you own?
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2004, 05:49:10 AM »
I guess the only gun I have that may qualify is a Model of 1917 that was originally chambered in 30.06. It was sporterized in the 60's the reciever was cut down, rechambered to .308 Norma Mag, reblued and given a custom maple wood stock with rose wood caps. the only thing that resembles it's original form is it's bolt and the safety. (I'm not sure if you guys classify sporterized rifles as customs)
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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2004, 08:37:22 PM »
I see a number of posts here that suggest that a custom rifle is one that is completely built especially for you. No one seems to have mentioned a rifle that one might acquire that was originally built for someone else. I would certainly consider that to be a custom rifle.

I acquired, some years ago a pretty pre war custom Mauser in .30-06 with an oiriginal Lyman Alaskan scope.

Then there is the beautifully stocked Siamese Mause 45-70 conversion that I bought.

And there were other previously custom built Mausers as well.

There was also the much customized 1917 Enfield barreled action that I stocked with a mail order Bishop walnut stock. Custom? I'd say so.

Likewise if parts from more than one rifle are mated together to one's order. I had bought a 6.5X55 Mauser carbine in a beautiful, hand-crafted, Bavarian-looking stock. I had a barreled action from a Model 38 Swede mounted in that stock, bedded, receiver drilled and tapped, bolt handle redone, safety bent over to clear the scope and a little steel tube made and installed on the step down at the tip of the barrel and blued to match the rest of the barrel. Is that a custom rifle also? I would say it is.
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« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2004, 01:58:36 AM »
Hi I'm form Brisbane, Australia and I'm new to this website. Judging from the number and variety of the posts on this topic  there are many interpretations of custom and that was always going to be the case. have what you love and love what you have.

My interpretaion of a custom rifle is as follows. I decided that I wanted a fine classic custom rifle about 20+ years ago. There was a guy who had a reputation as a fine gunsmith in Brisbane and I had heard that he had a bit of a speciality of building 308 Norma Magnums for professional buffullo (water buffullo) hunters in the Northern Territory of Australia.  I had by this time deveoped a passion for a full custom rifle as this was my dream.

My custom rifle was born. I read almost everything I could on custom gunmaking from the US, all the good magazines, Guns & Ammo, American Rifleman, Guns, Shooting Times, Gun Digest, etc , etc. The experts back in those days (mid to late 1970s) were Elmer Keith, Jack O'Connor, John Wooters, etc, etc. I learned about the work of the great custom rilfemakers in the US like GriffIn & Howe, the Winchester Custom Shop and I obtained a copy of "Checkering and Carving of Gunstocks" by Monty Kennedy (published in 1962) and drooled over the works of the great stockmakers such as Dale Goens (in fact I chose one of his patterns for my stock), Jerry Fisher, Lenard Brownwell, and so on. Bored yet?

This was to be a classic big game rifle, the basis of which was to be my M98 (ex Belgian military) with all the good work done to make it a true custom action. Machining, milling  and lapping,etc. We addeda bunch of custom bits like hinged floor plate and trigger guard, a timney trigger, custom bolt handle with knurled knob and shroud. My gunsmith friend was to checker the floor plate screws to match the checkering pattern on the stock.

The barrel was originally to be octagonal (my gunsmith's suggestion) but a barrell could not be sourced from Douglas at the time. Instead I settled for a premium grade Douglas barrel 24" in length to which was to be fitted a barrel-band foresight (I like iron sights on rifles, which seem to be curiously missing from modern factory rifles) and an express multi-leaf rear sight on a raised quarter rib.  In keeping with the classic big game rifle look the forward sling swivel was located on the barrel about three inches ahead of the fore-end of the stock.

The stock was a Californian walnut blank and styled as a classic rifle stock after the English design but without the very slim forend they like to do. I suppose you'd say it's style was that which the custom stock makers in the US tend to favour. A straight comb (for a scope) with a raised cheek piece on the left side of the stock. The blank has some fancy grain that was polished to highlight this on the butt stock. The rifle was fitted with a custom safety inletted into the tang of the stock, once again in the classic tradition. The base of the pistol grip base was enclosed in a skeleton grip cap of matching highly polished blued steel and the grip base checkered in the same lines per inch of the checkering of the stock.

The checkering pattern was really the masterpiece of the stock. It was my favourite pattern, one of the renowned Dale Goens, I found in Checkering and Carving of Gunstocks" by Monte Kennedy. It is found on page 272, and is called "Fluer-de-lis Pattern with Points". This is a difficult and time-consuming pattern due to the number and position of the fluers, particular on the pistol grip as both side of the grip pattern meet in the fluer on the front of the grip and any error in layout or checkering is immediately noticeable here. The fore-end pattern is difficult because of the number of points. All in all my gunsmith's pedigree as a maker of fine custom guns is evident in the finished product. Because of the length of the fore-end pattern I elected to do without a fancy (ebony) fore-end tip.

I'm not into fancy looking stocks with carving or ivory inlay but I do like a stock to look exquisite. There is nothing like a good checkering job use tastefully to make a stock look exquisite. The grip cap treatment, mentioned above, was a nice custom touch for this stock.

The Final touch for the stock was, as the magnum calibre has only a 3 cartridge magazine capacity, I asked for a metal butt stock cartridge trap holding a further 3 rounds to be fitted a blued to match the rest of the metal work. This gave the big 30 a six round capacity.

That's about it, my custom big game rifle which took about two years to build (gave me time to accumulate the considerable price tag but worth every cent), now more than 20 years old (or should I say young) still takes pride of place in my gun cabinet. It's the catalyst of my world wide hunting dream(s) of taking Marco Polo sheep on the roof of the world in Asia, a trophy Elk in Colorado, a moose in Canada, etc, etc (dreams never end).

By the way, I had a practice session with it this afternoon at my local rifle range and with 180 gr Hornady it put two 3 shot groups into less than 1" and in each group the first and second shot were virtually through the same hole. As I'm coming out of 20+ years of inactivity as a shooter and hunter these trips to the range are as much reacquiring my markmanship skills as they working up load that shoot with the new Australian powders. The rifle currently has a 2-7X Leupold which will shortly be replaced with a 3.5-14X50 LPS Leupold. With that and new sandbags for my benchrest I hope to put the second shot in those groups (see photos) where the first and second shots are.

That's my interpretation of custom and Ilove it so much that I have another FN M98 action just sitting in my gun cabinet to build a matching 270 Win. However, my gunsmith has now retired so I'll have to find someone else who shares this passion as much as I do. As a post script a major element in building a custom rifle, for me, is the planning of all the little things that go into it. To me this is really waht a custom rifle is all about and you just have to find a gunsmith who shares that same passion and will start the journey with you. When I come to think of the time my man put into this rifle, it ought to cost a lot more th an what it did. So obviously, it was a passion, a labor of love for  him too. That's was my interpretation of custom is.

Now if someone will tell me how to include pictures (jpeg files) with a post I could let you have a look at the rifle too.

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« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2004, 02:10:20 AM »
Hi. Magnum here again. Go to this website to see some photos of my rifle
http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4286878981&congratulation_page=Y

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I think this is a custom Rifle in 6.5X55
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2004, 07:56:59 PM »
I have a 6.5X55 1905 Carl Gustov Mauser,I put a Bushnell Scout scope on it and fell in love with the gun and the 6.5X55 round.The Gun is in mint condition,all matching numbers,I used a scope mount that fits on the rear sight of the gun,thus no butchering the old beauty,now I can see almost as far as that lovely old gun will shoot,the original sights could be set for 2000 MTRS.



                                   I like the round so well I am having a custom Rifle built in that caliber,it should be finished in
                                   June, the Riflesmith is David Tooley,of Tooley Custom Rifles ,Gastonia,NC.This is what he is
                                   building for me.

                                   Action-- Nesika Bay model J single shot right bolt right port.
                                   Barrel-- Hart 1-8 twist 6.5x55,26" remington Varmint contour.
                                   Stock-- McMillian remington Varmint pattern,color black/grey.
                                   Trigger-- Shilen.
                                   Weight -- approx 9.5 lbs W/O scope.
                                   Black teflon finish.
                                   Cryogenic treatment.
                                   Talley or Dakota sling swivel bases.
                                   Scope-- Leupold 8.5-25x50 Tactical long range(MK IV)w/ mil/dot.

 It will cost right at $5000.00 when completed                                  

                                   Nick

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« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2004, 10:09:40 AM »
I've alway just taken a factory rifle and had it improved with a trigger job, glass bedding, maybe recrowned. Because of my long arms I've needed pads added to get it into the range of 14.5" lops. I've never considered these as custom rifles, only improved factory offerings.
I did take a Winchester Model 88 and restock it with a Fajen semi-fancy walnut stock and had the barrel rebored from a 308 to a 338-308. but again I don't consider this a custom rifle, only a modified factory model.
I guess my first real custom rifle is being made right now. I purchased a left handed short action from Montana Rifle Co.. They are polishing the action inside and out, squaring it to one of their sporter weight barrels with a recessed crown, with a 1/12 twist for a 358 winchester then giving it a matte blued finish. The barreled action will be mated with a laminated stock from Serengeti using  AA claro stock, w/ ebony forend cap, brownell steel grip cap, 1" pad, checkered and semi-custom finish. It will also be glass bedded.
Now this is not one of those $10,000 customs, but it's as close to a full custom as I can get and still afford. it.

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« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2004, 10:48:15 AM »
I'm not in total agreement with the idea that a custom gun is one "built epecially for you", as when you pass it on, or sell it, it doesn't stop being a custom gun. I only own one gun that would fall into the custom category, if the parameter is "built for me".  My custom gun (in this sense) is a Hepburn #3 that I built from an original receiver. The stocks, barrel, etc are all new, and built similar to what Remington made, but slightly changed to meet my needs and taste.
 However, I have a number of guns in my collection that retain only the original receiver, and were custom built from that point on. One is a Ballard Schuetzen rifle built by George Schoyen, another is a custom 1881 Marlin repeater built by Emil Flues, another is my old hunting rifle, a model 1917 Enfield action, which has been completely reworked, smoothed, lightened, and fitted with Douglas air gauge barrel, Roberts stock, and Timney trigger. All of these were custom built for someone, just not me.
 My way of thinking is a custom gun should be substantially changed from original. It usually retains only the original receiver, and regardless of whether it is fitted to a specific shooter, or for sale to the general public, it is still custom. Guns that have bolt on production line stocks, or simply bolt on additions of some kind, are not custom rifles in my book. They're simply modified from stock production guns.
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2004, 01:41:39 PM »
i consider my Benchrest gun to be "Custom" It has a sleeved 700 action, a very tight chamber that will not load factory .308 ammo and requires custom sized brass, bullets travel through a Shilen barrel touched off by a feather trigger supported by a  McMillan stock , It weighs 13.5 pounds and shoots little tiny groups all day.

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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2004, 03:41:51 PM »
What is a custom rifle?    This is a good question and as a custom rifle builder one I feel I can answer.    A lot of my customers start with a trigger job, recrowning the barrel glass bedding and such and basically gradually work into a true custom rifle.     How ever a true custom rifle, tho it may utilise a factory action is a rifle built to your specifications and phyisical requirements.    This is why in general I work from the stock blank when building my customers rifles.    It is more then your phyisical measurements for we have all had to adapt to factory guns and due to this developed shooting habits which are hard if not near impossible to break.    All this has to be taken into account pluss the attention to detail that enters into a "TRUE" custom rifle.    A good custom rifle will out handle, point faster and by far out shoot any factory rifle going, that is what you are paying for and if it does not, find a different gunsmith because it should!    Not barging but the last custom rifle I built was in 9.3mm bore diameter.    With the right load it will put three shots into a group measuring .429 extreme spread, that is from the outer edge to outer edge, since it is a one hole group we subtract bore diameter which is .366  leaving .063" that is what you are paying for pluss the fit, wood and handling.   A true custom rifle is as individualized as you are and as close to perfection as possible, you should not settle for less!!!
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« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2004, 05:58:09 AM »
Hi Guys,
   I think "Custom" means many things to many different people. To me if a guy takes an old Mauser and , in his basement/shop , restocks it or even modifies the original and then cold blues the thing then to HIM it is "his" custom. Maybe not to you or me but to him it is!! Custom is whatever you personally want to consider custom. Just like me. When I was a kid I "frenched in" the headlights on my dads 1951 Packard while he was on a trip. Boy was I proud. We had our "custom" Packard. Needless to say my dad wasn`t too pleased.  After getting off restriction I thought twice about the word custom. I see quite a few "customs" come into the shop and I`ll never look down my nose or berate the individual or the work as he is pretty proud of his custom and so be it. Who knows? He might turn out to be the next Alvin Linden.

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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2004, 04:48:54 PM »
Custom rifles, hmmm.    Since I make my living building them I will put my two cents worth in for what it is worth.    A custom rifle, plane and simple is a rifle built to fit your specifications.    Ya, I pick on
'rubber guns" but I build them and they fit into this category.  
However as I explain in my book there are degrees of custom, most people do not start off by ordering a full custom gun they start in steps.    First it might be something such as a custom chambering and glass bedding, next a good trigger and down the road a custom stock built to fit them.    Most of us can not afford the out lay in cash for a full custom job all at once, so to me it is not as much what a custom rifle is as how do we get to that point that is important.
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« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2004, 03:10:00 PM »
My custom rifle is Bigfoot Wallace.  This is an '03 Springfield built by CW Fitch in the late '60s or early '70s.  The caliber is .35 Brown-Whelen (the most radical form of the Whelen) and the barrel is original -- reamed out, re-rifled and re-chambered.  Bigfoot Wallace is full of little tricks -- most of them designed to mitigate the recoil (I drive a 225-grain Nosler Partition Jacket at 2,800 fps).

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« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2004, 05:12:32 AM »
How about a re-barreled rifle in a caliber that it never was offered in?  I have a Winchester 88 that was originally a .243 Winchester.  I had it rebarreled with a Douglas barrel in 7mm-08.  With Hornady Light Magnum ammo, it shoots a 1 1/4" group at 100yds.  The Winchester 88 was discontinued years before the 7mm-08 was ever offered as a factory round.

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« Reply #49 on: August 13, 2004, 07:38:20 PM »
started with a WWII MAUSER MOD 98 Bruno action put a 26inch Shelin barrel  in a 3006. then had
a stock  made and checker from a nice black walnut piece of well figured wood. My dream come true.  Topped it off with a 4x12 40mm leupold It shoots moa with 200&220 gr round nose bullets @ 100yds It is nice to have a gun that draws attention at the range and  shoots as good as it looks. but my best shooter is a factory Remington 700classic in 220swift It shoots consisently under quarter inch :grin:

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« Reply #50 on: August 20, 2004, 10:11:05 PM »
Ok, going by having a rifle built for an individual, I'd have to say one:  My AR-15 with an upper assrmbled to my specs, ie pre-A1 slick-sided receiver with no forward assist, built by myself for myself (no license needed) on an Eagle Arms lower receiver.

Next to it is my Saiga X39 conversion done by myself.  I take a standard Saiga with a classic stock and do a small amount of work on the receiver, replacing the trigger group with a US made one and installing a US made stock and grip.  The plastic on the forend, magazine, buttstock, and grip, coming from four different companies in three different countries, all matches perfectly.  I also modified the magazine well to feed from affordable, plentiful military AK mags instead of the expensive, low capacity factory mags.  I have a similar conversion partly done in 223, using an AR-15 grip with a custom made mount (by me) and currently the factory magazine, though I plan to develop an AR-15 mag well for it.



A rifle that I'd insist is custom that I have no photo of is a Saiga 308 converted by myself to take a modified G3 magazine.  My conversion includes a mag well adaptor, US made ergonomic grip, and a wooden buttstock made by myself to simulate the finest Yugoslavian sniper buttstocks.

And my first customization project was making a heavy thick wooden target stock for my Ruger 10-22.  Eventually it will get a new bull barrel.

Future customization projects include building/rebarreling AKs to hunting rounds, including 35 Remington and 444 Marlin.  The peak of my custom gun aspirations is an AR-10 in 450 Marlin.
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« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2004, 08:29:46 AM »
To me a "Custom Gun" and a "Customized Gun" is two different creatures....a custom gun is a hand made piece of art that has been made specifically for the person who is going to be using it, to their liking...a Custom Rifle may cost anywhere between $2,500 and $50,000+ depending on features and the type of rifle chosen by the buyer. The most expensive custom rifles are "usually" the "double-rifles"

I do not own a Custom Rifle but I do own customized rifles, I have always had my heart set on a Dakota Arms Model 76 Takedown(Traveler) with special select 3 english walnut(and an extra etched Maple stock) and all etched parts(sights,sling stud/swivels/bolt handle/receiver,scope rings,etc.) that match the Whitetail/Elk/Bear/Moose scene I want on the hinged magazine plate, with an Ebony forend cap, jeweled bolt and a 24" French Gray finished barrel chambered in 7mag with an extra custom finished barrel in .338 Win. Mag....I doubt I will ever own one, but who knows, someones gotta hit the lottery. :)
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« Reply #52 on: August 28, 2004, 09:28:05 AM »
That's a good distinction there.

If that's the case, then the carbine on the right is a custom gun and the carbine on the left is a customized gun.

Have several other customized guns, but hope to add more custom guns in the future.  One thing I don't agree with is the price criteria.  I think as long as it was created individually, it doesn't matter how much it costs.

My next hope for a custom gun is an AKM in 35 Remington on a homemade receiver.
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What classifies as a "Custom Gun?"
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2004, 05:48:41 PM »
I had Henry Ball of Bill's Custom Guns Greensboro, N.C. (He is the inventor of the smokeless powder muzzle loader. This is the same design that Savage is currently using as its Model 10ML.) build a rifle for my son while my wife was still pregnant with him.
I had a Remington Model 7 Youth Model in .243 stored away that I had purchsed on closeout sale. I had fired it before and knew it was a mild shooting rifle but completely average in ballistics and accuracy.
Off went the rifle to Henry Ball. He started with the action trued and squared, the the bolt lugs lapped and bolt face squared. He installed a 20" McGowen super match grade, chrome-moly barrel and chambered it in 6.5-.284. He finished the barrel/action work with a hand done, recessed target style crown. Then he glass and steel pillar bedded the action into an old style Bell and Carlson Carbalite stock with intergral sling mounts.
The paint job is my own design called "Cedar Shadow" using tree branches as stencils. I also installed a Leupold scope base and a set of engraved Millet rings holding a 2.5x8 Leupold Vari X III scope.
 
It cetainly is not as pretty as many here, no curly wood, fiddle back grained wood stock, or engraved receiver. But I reckon it is about as dead custom as any rifle made. You know, every time it kicks three or four 129 grain Hornady SPBT Interlocks at 2900 FPS into one ragged hole at 100 yards I remember why I built it and I am glad I did.
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They all hold swords, being expert in war: every man hath his sword upon his thigh because of fear in the night.
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What classifies as a "Custom Gun?"
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2004, 09:47:17 AM »
Hmmm... well I think I agree with many of you.

I have one full custom rifle which was made for me. Only stock (McMillan A-2), sling swiwels and magazine were bought - everything else was hand made to my specifications. This is what i consider a real custom gun.

I also have lots of other guns which are customized. Many have trigger jobs, match barrels, better mags, sights, spring kits, triggers, hammers etc etc custom parts but they still are in my opinion factory made guns which I or somebody else modified to my liking. They were not made expecially for me (or anybody else) so IMO they are not custom guns.

Never thought about this before but indeed there seems to be a slight difference in meaning with words custom and customized when talking about guns.

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« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2004, 07:57:34 PM »
Well, here's my 10 cents worth. I believe a custom rifle is one that beings with an action and cartridge in mind and is built from ground up with these considerations. There are many factory or surplus rifles that have been customised but I think there really is a distinction between the two. Perhaps it lies in the serious, single minded nature of creating a new firearm, rather than personalising and optimising a pre-existing one.

Don't get me wrong. There are plenty of customised rifles that can ascribe to greatness more than those that were built from scratch and I don't think you could describe a rifle chucked together from a hotch potch of parts as a custom rifle, not matter how well it shoots. In a lot of ways it's the difference between designing and overseeing the building of your own house or buying an exisitng one and refurbishing it. Doesn't matter how pretty the new kitchen and bathroom is, it doesn't make it a new house.

I have a few plans up my sleeve for the future in terms of custom projects but some of them will be customised and others will be true custom guns, real one-of-a-kinds.
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« Reply #56 on: November 09, 2004, 09:32:50 PM »
Now that I built an AKM from a parts kit, I can say for sure that I have built a custom gun  :grin:

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