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Offline H666

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« on: July 28, 2004, 03:08:58 AM »
Has anyone been bugged by "enviromentalists in the field?  I had the pleasure when tracking minks the other day.  It seems like the beast that's killing my lambs in the spring has more rights (according to said enviromentalist) than the lamb it's killing, because that's natures way of maintaining harmony.  Aren't we maintaining natural balance as well?  Tell me, what would happen if every North-American would stop hunting varmints?  

I'm a farmers son, a devoted hunter and fisherman and a cop.  The way I see it, I need to take action to restore peace in my community as a cop, and same goes for every hunter.  How would these people act if cops let a killer roam free, just to "let nature take it's course"?

I consider myself an enviromentalist.  I'm all in favor of preserving nature, I like it out there and I want it to stay that way.  Littering makes me angry....but when I see litter up in my beloved mountains I get furious.

What's your opinion on the subject?
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2004, 04:47:08 AM »
I've never had a problem with them, but we have laws here in my state that make it illegal to harass hunters and fishermen in the field as long as they are participating in legal activities in a legal manner. I know that from my experience you can't use reason or logical arguements with them--I think that their "beliefs" are driven primarily off of emotion, but as I said, that is just from my limited experience. We don't have that many around my part of the country compared to the coasts.

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2004, 02:36:40 AM »
H666 - as with the Flatlander, we have laws in New York State that allow us to bring charges of harrassment against anti-hunters, or environmentalists or others of that ilk if they encounter us in the field during hunting season and act inappropriately.  

There usual response, however, to our mention of the laws is  - 'yeah, so what are you going to do, make a citizen's arrest on us?  Go right ahead and we will have you arrested for aggravated harrassment, etc, etc., - except that they cannot.  And what are you going to do if we refuse to go along with you, shoot us???"

I just never say another word, I just cock my gun and ask them where their next of kin are located.  That, and a few discharges close to their unprotected ears at running game usually ends the arguements.  Then, they seem to understand the power we hold and they do not.  Mikey.

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2004, 11:26:17 AM »
Just goes to show you what idiots they are.  Only a damn fool would start an argument with an obviously armed man way out in the boonies.

As for predator policing, I will not permit a wild animal to kill or continue killing my domestic animals.  On the other side of the coin, I will not permit domestic animals to kill or continue killing wildlife.  Neither will I, in most cases, permit domestic animals to kill other domestic animals.  If a wild animal wishes to kill another wild animal, I will judge that one on a case by case basis.  

Judge, jury and executioner... that's me.  Screw Disney. :D
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« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2004, 10:52:05 PM »
I can go with that.  When there's a chance of my livelihood being threatened, I take countermeasures.  I have (bear with me, this didn't make me feel good) shot a dog owned by cityfolks.  They stopped on the road next to my field and let the dog loose (a big Alsatian) and it killed two of my sheep before I got a shot at it.  They sued but I won the case in state and supreme court.  Judges ruled I was protecting my livelihood, one even cited that it was "countermeasures to an unlawful attack on a third party".

As for enviromentalists I have not come across any laws that ban harassing hunters in the field.  In Iceland we don't have the same history of hunting as in the States fx.  Letting of a charge might scare them away though (along with that weird twitch in my left eye!!)
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2004, 11:23:36 AM »
EnviroMENTAList there name says it all.

I went hunting, got a nice wild hog about 250 lbs or so. I had it in the back of the truck and stoped at this little hamburger joint for a bite. I was Acosted by five collage kids telling me how bad I was for killing an innocent animal.  :x   I asked them if they wanted to save all the animals and clean up the enviroment and all that .  :grin:  Thay said YES I told them to start with cleaning up there nasty car first before trying to take on the world.  :shock:  :twisted:  The ironey of the story is they all had a hamburger ! and I was the bad guy .  :roll:  When I asked them if they thought about where the meat came from they still did not get it!  :)
There is tuition wasted on idiot's. The sad thing is these morons one day will vote! :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2004, 06:18:42 PM »
This is being taught in public schools.  My Buddy, in Pulaski TN, told me his kids came home telling him the assault weapon ban was a good law, and he should call his representative and tell them to bring it back.  From the mouths of babes........He didn't want to get into a fight with the school, and didn't say anything....Had it been my kids, I'd have been at the school board suggesting they teach reading, writing, and arithmatic and leave the politics out.

Clearly the liberal left has an agenda that is allowed to be perpetuated in public schools.   Ever notice the Audobon society is allow in, but Duck Unlimited isn't?

Animals have rights!  Soon they'll be voting!
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2004, 06:45:35 PM »
This post coundent have come at a better time for me.  This past weekend was out tromping inthe woods, had my 41 mag on my hip. Ran into 2 couple's of tree huggers. They started in about shooting the animals and guns. I let them go for a couple of mins and  asked if they knew what a bear looked like. They said they had seen on in the zoo. I mentioned that there was one comming down the hill about 200 yds away, they looked and saw this black creature lopeing down the hill and took off like a bat out of he77. I started laughing so hard I started to wet my pants. What I pointed out was my buddies" Black Lab" lopeing down the hillside to me.  This is twice I have used the bear thing, only last time there wasant a thing on the hill side.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2004, 01:43:30 AM »
A few years back here they arrested the animal lovers and carted them off for harrassing hunters.  I personally have never ran into them.

Now about the litter back in '73 when i first hunted in Vermont we were deep in the national forest when we seen garbage around this other out of state hunters truck it was a mess right in front of every door. My cousin piled up all their garbage on the hood of the truck and we went off hunting.  When we got back they were gone and so was all their garbage too.   :D                                                                    BigBill

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2004, 02:47:13 AM »
A few years ago, a group of anti-hunters got a bright idea to mess up the duck hunters.  They read the rules and saw that it was illegal to hunt over a baited blind, so the went out and dumped bags of feed corn in front of all the hunter's blind.

They were arrested for a violation of the EPA clean water act (illegally dumping a material into the waters of the state).  :)

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2004, 04:54:01 AM »
The worst part about the environmentalists is that they are totally naive about what they claim to hold dear, that is, ecology and its related biological sciences. They don't understand a thing about life cycles, population dynamics, ecosystem interactions, or species survival. They only think that plants and animals of their own choosing are beautiful and precious, and should be preserved at all costs. I've never seen one beating the drum over the death of a mosquito that just bit them, or the thousands of species of bacteria that spoil their food every day, or poison ivy that chokes their beloved hiking trail, or leeches that inhabit the swamp, etc. It's only about the so-called "majestic" organisms. I call this Bambi-cology. And almost without exception, the environmentalist has a symbolic picture in their mind of organisms that is either totally false or skewed beyond reality, akin to the image of young Bambi in spots waltzing around the meadow alongside a mature buck with antlers during hunting season.

Environmentalists have a total disregard for two facts that almost always undermine the legitimacy of their issues:

1. Humans are an integral part of the ecosystem. They have the power to alter the ecosystem in tremendous ways, and a responsibility that goes with that, but they also have an unequivocal right and necessity to participate in the ecological process (that is, use ecological resources to their advantage, just like all other organisms).

2. Ecosystems are dynamic and operate on fundamental supply and demand principles. Saving one or a few species at all costs has a negative effect on many other species, just as much if not moreso than reducing one species does. Resources restricted from human use are seldom "preserved" at all, but rather re-allocated in a less productive fashion (such as when a deer or duck dies of starvation or illness rather than being killed by a hunter).

The really irritating thing is, none of this is ever considered politically relevant to the issues at hand. Policy makers rarely defer to competent scientists when making decisions about "environmentally sensitive" issues. Confounding all of this is the emergence of the environmentalist-minded "ecologists" who are educated to believe that a tunnel-vision brand of pseudo-science is a legitimate and productive enterprise. Their research methods are flawed and sometimes outright manipulative, and they pursue science from a basis of pre-concieved conclusions and biased data production rather than thorough and scientifically sound investigation. They are almost invariably at the forefront of most environmental debates, precisely because they place themselves there by having strong, scientifically flawed opinions that they somehow pass of to the non-scientific world as legitimate hypotheses and conclusions. The equally naive media catch this ball and run with it. After all, such provocative stances, whether based on legitimate science or not, sell magazines and newspapers.

Ultimately, environmentalists remind me of my house dog, a cocker spaniel mix. She sees wolves or deer on television and vaults off the couch in pursuit, growling and barking, only to be dumbfounded when the animals are nowhere to be seen behind the TV set. Granted, she is a rather simple-minded dog, but she so aptly represents the environmentalist mindset. They never quite seem to figure out that they are chasing an image rather than the real thing. A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing, especially when mixed with a heavy dose of passion and self-indignation.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2004, 07:14:35 AM »
:D HUNTSMAN,
Your 110% right!
The enviro-wacko's love to pick an choose what to save or not. Myself ,I think the ENVIROMENTALIST MOVEMENT is the last bastion of Socialist, Communist, Marxist Zelots! Such passion gone to waste, it is sad  really. Just like those kid's eating a hamberger, while being upset that I killed a hog that I was going toeat as well. It's beyond sad, it's pathetic how uninformed some of them really are.
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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2004, 04:43:14 PM »
Hi guys, good topic!  I was sturgeon fishing here in Northwest WI, off a bridge, when this "man who has chosen a lifestyle of sodomy" comes jogging up in pink spandex, listening to his walkman (Sorry guys, but I live in northern WI. This was different, to say the least.) When he stopped to watch a guy land a 49"er (they got to be 50" to be legal) He says "Thoths are thuch magethtic fith. I hope he relethes it." Well, I was hunched over laughing at him,(for several reasons) I couldn't even talk. He frowned and jogged away.  
     
     Anyway, God told us exactly what to do with this planet, right in Gen. 1:28
          And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

     Yep, God gave us dominion over all living creatures, We have to do with them what we see fit. Domesticate, hunt, protect as an endangered species.  Granted, at this time man was not to eat animals, but we got permission for that after the Flood. Hunting plays so many roles, food , population control, disease control,  putting down livestock killers, and man killers, ect.

    How about the argument against trappers/fur guys.  "just taking the fur from the animal is wrong, and a waste."  Well, Gen. 3:21   explains that God made "coats of skins" for Adam and his wife. At this time no-one, man or beast,  would have eaten what was left of the animals that the skins came from. If at any time throughout history, or now, a man hunted for fur to use or sell to provide for his family,  More power to him! That would not be a waste!

   It is because of the efforts of hunters, trappers, and fishermen that we can have healthy wilderness ereas, and waterways. :D

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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2004, 01:23:55 AM »
If you are down in Florida and want to have some fun with treehuggers, wait until you see some obvious ones and walk up to them, tell them you're from out of state, and ask them where you can buy a manatee burger.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2004, 01:25:48 AM »
Are you assuming the the liberal left are christians?
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