Author Topic: Assault Weapon Ban ends tonight (Read 1052 times)

handirifle · « **on:** September 13, 2004, 09:13:38 AM »

Well according to the media and the democrats we are all supposed to go out and buy our Uzzi's and AK's tomorrow since they will no longer be banned.

So Far Fox news is the only one I've seen that at least tells some of the truth that it was mostly a cosmetic ban since real assault weapons are against the law anyway.

Thoughts?

Brett · « **Reply #1 on:** September 13, 2004, 10:37:51 AM »

Ahhhhhhhh! The streets will run red with the blood of innocent women and children. There will be chaos & mayhem, no one will be safe!

MSP Ret · « **Reply #2 on:** September 13, 2004, 11:17:04 AM »

I don't know about you guys, but I feel safer already!!!!....<><.... :grin:

Go George W!!! Remember we must all vote in November. Remember those absentee ballots if your going to be away at hunting camp for the election, every vote counts. Save our american way of life, vote Republican!!!....<><.... :grin:

like2shoot · « **Reply #3 on:** September 13, 2004, 12:04:15 PM »

handirifle, I am not sure what you call real assault weapons but, full auto ( class 3 weapons ) are regulated by the NFA of 1934 , amended in 1986. There are state and local regulations that prohibit possession of full auto, but they are regulated by the above laws not, prohibited. A friend of mine is a class 3 dealer and is preparing to go to the Knob Creek, Kentucky shoot. He was showing some items as he packed for his trip. M2 with 9" barrel, full auto 10-22, 30 & 50 Cal. Brownings, MP5s, etc, etc. To purchase any of the above or others, you submit a federal App. , two sets of prints, and a $200.00 tax stamp. You must be at least 21 tears old and the local sherif or Chief of Police must sign off on the ap. Takes about 90 days to clear the BATF. Suppessors are the same basic procedure, except that they are more readily available. If you buy the Full Auto and suppessor at the same time, you still need two $200.00 stamps and apps.

handirifle · « **Reply #4 on:** September 13, 2004, 01:56:48 PM »

like2shoot
You are correct, I knew there are permits available, but figured for all intents and purposes they were not an issue. AS far as getting a permit from our local sherrif, (Los Angeles County) I know which way that goes.

I live 70 miles from the LA area, and only 10 miles from Kern county. At Kern you can fairly easily get a CCW and NOONE has gotten one in La County, just cause or otherwise. Hummmmm, wonder what my odds for a full auto would be?

Since most of us would not want to pay $200 extra it's pretty much a prohibition, in my eyes, but thecnically you are correct.

like2shoot · « **Reply #5 on:** September 13, 2004, 02:29:17 PM »

The least expensive subguns are the MAC 10s, around $1500.00 + tax stamp + sales tax. The least expensive MGs start at $3000.00. My friend has some 50s with 20" barrels. Talk about LOUD. Every time I stop by, he shows me something different. The best part is, he is just one of the good guys, down to earth . No mercy in his shop, everyone is fair game, even himself. Good stop at lunch to liven up the day. He even gives veggies away during season.

Joel · « **Reply #6 on:** September 13, 2004, 05:50:22 PM »

Wal, as soon as I heard the news I rushed down to the basement and brazed that ol Campell's tomato soup can to my 45/70(I stuck it in a whole bunch of places with my survival knife, so it's ventilated). Between that and those two Uncle Mike's 10 round cartridge carriers that I stitched together and Duck taped to the bottom of the receiver.....I'm ready!!!!!! Kinda ungainly, but looks really,uh, mean. The Ruger #1 and the Savage 24 are next. Savage might present an engineering problem. I mean, 20 rounds of 20 guage, and 20 rounds of 22 hornet..........

handirifle · « **Reply #7 on:** September 13, 2004, 07:59:04 PM »

Yep like Kerry is saying, now it'll be easier for the terrorists to just waltz into the US and buy their AK's now.

What an idiot. He should fire everyone around him that feeds him this crap. Surely he can't be stupid enough to make these comments on his own,,,,,can he??

Leftoverdj · « **Reply #8 on:** September 13, 2004, 08:51:38 PM »

Kerry musta missed the news. I saw a report of full auto AKs selling in Baghdad for $70 bucks.

'Course you gotta remember that Bush has promised to sign the AWB when Congress sends it to him. I look for that to happen either right after the election or early in the next session when he don't need our votes no more.

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2004, 10:36:50 PM »

Yep, the speculation is that this AWB was allowed to die so that a replacement with more teeth can be set in place... All this trouble for weapons that are used in less than 1% of armed robberies. What a pity. I've heard that they want to extend the 10 round magazine limit to tube fed 22s... yea, that's gonna save almost as many lives as the ban on bayonet lugs. I gotta admit, I haven't heard of anyone getting bayoneted during a robbery since the AWB was enacted. ROFL.

Ian

MGMorden · « **Reply #10 on:** September 14, 2004, 01:01:47 AM »

Quote from: Haywire Haywood

Yep, the speculation is that this AWB was allowed to die so that a replacement with more teeth can be set in place... All this trouble for weapons that are used in less than 1% of armed robberies. What a pity. I've heard that they want to extend the 10 round magazine limit to tube fed 22s... yea, that's gonna save almost as many lives as the ban on bayonet lugs. I gotta admit, I haven't heard of anyone getting bayoneted during a robbery since the AWB was enacted. ROFL.

Ian

Actually I had heard it was a possibility that the 10 round limit on mags would be further reduced to a 6 round limit :evil:.

Brett · « **Reply #11 on:** September 14, 2004, 02:14:52 AM »

Eventually we will all be allowed only one bullet and we must keep it in our shirt pocket until the Sherif says we can load it in our gun al-la Deputy Fife (sp?). We can speculate what Bush may do but we know for sure what Kerry will do! If you don't vote, don't belong to the NRA (or at least some pro 2nd amendment org.) then don't bitch is all I've got to say. :wink:

By the way an annual membership to the NRA cost about what you pay for a box of centerfire cartridges and a life membership cost about what you would expect to pay for a good bolt action hunting rifle. If it weren't for the NRA you probably would not be able to buy either one today. Just ask the blokes in jolly ol' England.

marv · « **Reply #12 on:** September 14, 2004, 03:10:21 AM »

Brett, I think you summed it good. ( MHO) Marv.

Big Blue · « **Reply #13 on:** September 14, 2004, 03:32:11 AM »

Goodbye to bad legislation!

This is one af the very few times we will see our rights reinstated when it comes to the Second Ammendment. We can thank all of those gun grabbing Senators and Congressmen that lost their shot at relection 8 years ago. I think they learned that we mean it.
Don

handirifle · « **Reply #14 on:** September 14, 2004, 10:53:18 AM »

leftover
I hope you're wrong, but he is still a politician.

Brett

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Eventually we will all be allowed only one bullet

Hopefully that is never the case but maybe we love these Handi's for a reason? :grin:

Mac11700 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 14, 2004, 08:19:51 PM »

Yep...it ended...now I guess we'll have a-lot of drive-by bayoneting as before :wink: :wink: :wink:

Mac

Haywire Haywood · « **Reply #16 on:** September 14, 2004, 10:29:23 PM »

Did ya hear that Arnold signed a bill in California banning 50BMG rifles? There's another life saver. Lots of armed robberies going on with those every day. Even the liberal media made the point of saying that there has never been one linked to a violent crime there.

Ian

.308 · « **Reply #17 on:** September 15, 2004, 03:27:17 AM »

Hi Y'all,
Haven't been around much, just got on to see what's going on. Thought I'd mention this, y'all may already have heard but here goes:

Congress has passed a law allowing all Law Enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons throughout the ENTIRE United States. This law overrides any state law to the contrary. This law applies to retired L.E. (MSP Ret, this includes you) with some limitations. I'm not familiar with what the limitations are at this time.

I haven't heard anything about this on the news, have y'all? I'd think the ANTIS would have something to say.

Later,
Lamar

P.S.
Hope all is well with all y'all.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #18 on:** September 15, 2004, 04:08:10 AM »

From: "Frank McVeigh" <MSPNET@comcast.net>
To: <MSPNET3>
Subject: Gun law signed
Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:53 PM

President Bush signs H.R. 218; Exempting active and retired law
enforcement officers from State laws that prohibit the carrying of
concealed firearms.

The White House, Washington, D.C.

July 22, 2004

STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY

On Thursday, July 22, 2004, the President signed into law H.R. 218,
the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004," which exempts
qualified active and retired law enforcement officers from State laws
that prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms.

TEXT of H.R. 218 as passed by The Congress of the United States of
America and signed into law by The President:

H.R.218

One Hundred Eighth Congress

of the

United States of America

AT THE SECOND SESSION

Begun and held at the City of Washington on Tuesday,

the twentieth day of January, two thousand and four

An Act

To amend title 18, United States Code, to exempt qualified current and
former law enforcement officers from State laws prohibiting the
carrying of concealed handguns.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United
States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of
2004'.

SEC. 2. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM STATE LAWS
PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED FIREARMS.

(a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended
by inserting after section 926A the following:

`Sec. 926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement
officers

`(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any
political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified law
enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required by
subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped or
transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection
(b).

`(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws
of any State that--

`(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the
possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

`(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or
local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

`(c) As used in this section, the term `qualified law enforcement
officer' means an employee of a governmental agency who--

`(1) is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention,
detection, investigation, or prosecution of, or the incarceration of
any person for, any violation of law, and has statutory powers of
arrest;

`(2) is authorized by the agency to carry a firearm;

`(3) is not the subject of any disciplinary action by the agency;

`(4) meets standards, if any, established by the agency which require
the employee to regularly qualify in the use of a firearm;

`(5) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or
hallucinatory drug or substance; and

`(6) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm.

`(d) The identification required by this subsection is the photographic
identification issued by the governmental agency for which the
individual is employed as a law enforcement officer.

`(e) As used in this section, the term `firearm' does not include--

`(1) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the National
Firearms Act);

`(2) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this title); and

`(3) any destructive device (as defined in section 921 of this title).'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections for such chapter is
amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926A the
following:

`926B. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified law enforcement
officers.'.

SEC. 3. EXEMPTION OF QUALIFIED RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS FROM
STATE LAWS PROHIBITING THE CARRYING OF CONCEALED FIREARMS.

(a) In General- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is further
amended by inserting after section 926B the following:

`Sec. 926C. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retired law
enforcement officers

`(a) Notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any
political subdivision thereof, an individual who is a qualified retired
law enforcement officer and who is carrying the identification required
by subsection (d) may carry a concealed firearm that has been shipped
or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, subject to subsection
(b).

`(b) This section shall not be construed to supersede or limit the laws
of any State that--

`(1) permit private persons or entities to prohibit or restrict the
possession of concealed firearms on their property; or

`(2) prohibit or restrict the possession of firearms on any State or
local government property, installation, building, base, or park.

`(c) As used in this section, the term `qualified retired law
enforcement officer' means an individual who--

`(1) retired in good standing from service with a public agency as a
law enforcement officer, other than for reasons of mental instability;

`(2) before such retirement, was authorized by law to engage in or
supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of,
or the incarceration of any person for, any violation of law, and had
statutory powers of arrest;

`(3)(A) before such retirement, was regularly employed as a law
enforcement officer for an aggregate of 15 years or more; or

`(B) retired from service with such agency, after completing any
applicable probationary period of such service, due to a
service-connected disability, as determined by such agency;

`(4) has a nonforfeitable right to benefits under the retirement plan
of the agency;

`(5) during the most recent 12-month period, has met, at the expense of
the individual, the State's standards for training and qualification
for active law enforcement officers to carry firearms;

`(6) is not under the influence of alcohol or another intoxicating or
hallucinatory drug or substance; and

`(7) is not prohibited by Federal law from receiving a firearm.

`(d) The identification required by this subsection is--

`(1) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which the
individual retired from service as a law enforcement officer that
indicates that the individual has, not less recently than one year
before the date the individual is carrying the concealed firearm, been
tested or otherwise found by the agency to meet the standards
established by the agency for training and qualification for active law
enforcement officers to carry a firearm of the same type as the
concealed firearm; or

`(2)(A) a photographic identification issued by the agency from which
the individual retired from service as a law enforcement officer; and

`(B) a certification issued by the State in which the individual
resides that indicates that the individual has, not less recently than
one year before the date the individual is carrying the concealed
firearm, been tested or otherwise found by the State to meet the
standards established by the State for training and qualification for
active law enforcement officers to carry a firearm of the same type as
the concealed firearm.

`(e) As used in this section, the term `firearm' does not include--

`(1) any machinegun (as defined in section 5845 of the National
Firearms Act);

`(2) any firearm silencer (as defined in section 921 of this title); and

`(3) a destructive device (as defined in section 921 of this title).'.

(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of sections for such chapter is
further amended by inserting after the item relating to section 926B
the following:

`926C. Carrying of concealed firearms by qualified retired law
enforcement officers.'.

Speaker of the House of Representatives.

Vice President of the United States and

President of the Senate.

END

It gives me great pleasure to make this my 1,000th post (again!!)....<><.... :grin:

Brett · « **Reply #19 on:** September 15, 2004, 04:32:31 AM »

MSPRet, Now that does make me feel safer.

.308 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 16, 2004, 02:03:34 AM »

Yup MSP Ret,
Looks like you heard about it already.

Brett,
Makes me feel safer, TOO.

Lamar

MSP Ret · « **Reply #21 on:** September 16, 2004, 02:43:32 AM »

Yup .308 I did, almost feel sorry I posted about it here now, too many here are upset about it. For the life of me I can't figure out their thinking, if they don't get it no one should get it, not even trained and experienced individuals....<><.... :?

Could this is why it did not get much press? Perhaps some one "up there" knew those did not get the authority would be as upset as the anti's?...Keep the faith...