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Teachers and their unions think they own our kids
« on: June 25, 2025, 02:56:12 AM »
How out of touch with reality and vile are their sordid minds? They actually believe this absolute garbage and generally look at parents as a minor obstacle. The arrogance and pompousness of these educators? Is a slap in the face of parents. The fact that failing public ed has to be forced upon parents and their children is proof of their failure… Also a mass exodus should continue until their well deserved demise/cessation…

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Re: Teachers and their unions think they own our kids
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2025, 09:12:45 AM »
 For almost all of us who think logically, it is indeed difficult to understand how "woke and mind broke', come to the conclusions that they harbor. It seems their beliefs, movements and passions, all lead away from rational, clear thought.

  But we were warned that such a time would come.. 
 
  Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.
  (Isaiah 5:20)

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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2025, 10:00:44 AM »
It's the result of allowing ( and expecting)
schools to be baby sitters and do the
majority of parenting for kids.
Much apathy and enabling and making
excuses
Most recently graduated and high school
students I know of don't know any history
and can't count in their head and don't
know what the cardinal directions are
and could not name 5 planets in the
solar system if asked and some actually
can't name the months of the year
right off the top of their head
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2025, 11:00:25 AM »
It's the result of allowing ( and expecting)
schools to be baby sitters and do the
majority of parenting for kids.
Much apathy and enabling and making
excuses
Most recently graduated and high school
students I know of don't know any history
and can't count in their head and don't
know what the cardinal directions are
and could not name 5 planets in the
solar system if asked and some actually
can't name the months of the year
right off the top of their head
That is alarming if it is true. An important question is how many recently graduated high school students do you know. Where are these poorly educated graduates located? What state and district? It is important to know where your samples are from.
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« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2025, 12:54:37 PM »
If you watch Jesse Watters on Fox news he sends his sidekick Johnny out to ask folks simple questions and he goes all over the country. The idiots can't answer such simple questions as above.

Most didn't know who we found in the revolutionary war or even the civil war. Even the most simple questions a third or fourth grade kid should know those young adults do NOT know. Stupid is rampant in this country.


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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2025, 04:30:05 PM »
. . .Where are these poorly educated graduates located? What state and district? It is important to know where your samples are from.

They're in every state in the nation.
You can find them if you look for them.
Unless you live in a senior's only
housing development, or on a large
acreage,  you most likely have one
or more within eyeball range.
They are irrefutably everywhere
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2025, 05:05:19 PM »
Irrefutably everywhere? I suppose that you are correct. I wonder how adults would fare?



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« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2025, 02:00:16 AM »
It's the result of allowing ( and expecting)
schools to be baby sitters and do the
majority of parenting for kids.
Much apathy and enabling and making
excuses
Most recently graduated and high school
students I know of don't know any history
and can't count in their head and don't
know what the cardinal directions are
and could not name 5 planets in the
solar system if asked and some actually
can't name the months of the year
right off the top of their head
That is alarming if it is true. An important question is how many recently graduated high school students do you know. Where are these poorly educated graduates located? What state and district? It is important to know where your samples are from.


   One need not search very far. I find them during everyday observations and business. For some time a after retiring, I worked in a friends hardware store, which carried sundry other merchandise as well.

   I see them as well, in my grandsons deli/coffee shop daily, and am not surprised that they have to go through many applicants to find one capable of basic sales and
  connecting favorably with the public.

  Frankly;  finding a teenager, or even in some cases adult, who has a fair working knowledge of history or geography. While they cannot give an approximate location of Brazil, or the Falklands, say nothing about Djbouti...they indeed seem capable of explaining most of the illicit relations carried on by their favorite celebrity or celebrity family.

  So often, spelling seems a lost cause..and it appears to me that the teachers unions may have provoked the abandonment of cursive writing...after all, cursive is a difficult and boring thing to teach !

  I noted the in recent decades they have dropped another formerly mandatory regimin, that of spelling by employing phonics, then going to what hey conveniently call "whole language" instruction.  ..Which to me is simply, "look at the word and guess" !

      And how often do we see a young clerk return the wrong change ?  I am careful to watch their count out at change return, since I have often had to either ask for proper change, or return sometimes up to $5 to $10..

  ...Not hard to understand why many retail establishment now have an "amount of change" device built in ! ....And some can still get it wrong..
   I was amazed at what these

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Re: Teachers and their unions think they own our kids
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2025, 05:13:19 AM »
I think the government needs to get out of the education business. I also don't blame it all on teachersunions.
IN MY OPINION, teachers should be screened by school boards and a critical element should be that teachers should be morally upright with Muslims and atheists banned from teaching.
Over the years I've noticed that many (not all) become self righteous in what a child should be taught regardless of what the parents think. Those type teachers should also excluded from teaching.
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« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2025, 05:42:06 AM »
Good example came by late in the evening
yesterday (?)
A fairly young man, maybe early 20's came
by, pushed the inoperable doorbell button
a half a dozen times, then knocked as many
more. I happened to be outside just around
the corner where I was partially out of sight.
He was a modern day door-to-door salesman
selling exterminator services. Came around and
was yapping at me for a while. Told me he was
from one of the Carolinas. I managed to politely
cut off his narrative and tell him thanks but no
thanks and his supervisor pulled up about that
time and picked him up.

If there was a beef with the kid, it was that I
have a small handwritten card taped over the
doorbell button that says in block letters
" OUT OF ORDER "
Probably as bad as that is the permanent
sign about 9 inches above/ eye level by that one
that says " NO SOLICITING "

So. . . Exactly what is the deal with those
who behave in the identical manner as that
kid ? Repeatedly pushing a disabled doorbell
button with a notification on it?
And a prominently displayed sign stating
" NO SOLICITING " ?

Are they too ignorant of their surroundings
and just overlook things?
Or are they pretty much functionally illiterate
and really can't read well and have no comprehension
of exactly what they're looking at?
I'm not understanding why the most simple
of things are difficult for many these days.

They're either lazy or just don't GAS and
plow through life like a bull through a corral.
I can't imagine that that many people became
mentally deficient in a generation or two
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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2025, 05:43:23 AM »
I think the government needs to get out of the education business. I also don't blame it all on teachersunions.
IN MY OPINION, teachers should be screened by school boards and a critical element should be that teachers should be morally upright with Muslims and atheists banned from teaching.
Over the years I've noticed that many (not all) become self righteous in what a child should be taught regardless of what the parents think. Those type teachers should also excluded from teaching.

I also don’t put blame on teachers unions solely either as there are many responsible even those not involved in education and parents, just pointing them out as they have been enabled to their level of pompous and vile behavior.

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« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2025, 07:49:02 AM »
If you watch Jesse Watters on Fox news he sends his sidekick Johnny out to ask folks simple questions and he goes all over the country. The idiots can't answer such simple questions as above.

Most didn't know who we found in the revolutionary war or even the civil war. Even the most simple questions a third or fourth grade kid should know those young adults do NOT know. Stupid is rampant in this country.
  The unions are all for the teachers, not for the students. The first year of many college's, are teaching what use to be taught in the last year or 2 of high school. American students use to be in the top 5 in GPA 25-30 years ago. Not sure if we're even in the top 20 anymore.
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Re: Teachers and their unions think they own our kids
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2025, 02:33:39 PM »
“  teachers should be morally upright with Muslims and atheists banned from teaching.”
Morality. You are saying that an atheist cannot be moral? How did you arrive at that conclusion ?

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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2025, 02:51:46 PM »
“ American students use to be in the top 5 in GPA 25-30 years ago. Not sure if we're even in the top 20 anymore.”
Please check your data. Grade point averages (GPAs)  are generally not  comparable country vs country since the calculations are not the same.

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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2025, 02:52:21 PM »
“  teachers should be morally upright with Muslims and atheists banned from teaching.”
Morality. You are saying that an atheist cannot be moral? How did you arrive at that conclusion ?

By watching folks like you justify the f-bomb as an emphasis in a sentence, and  admitting that you taught your students the same.
By watching folks like you wish failure to our country because of your hatred of the current president.
By watching folks like you attempt to cause spiritual doubt in Christian teaching.
By watching folks like you Deflect and play victim when called out on the above.

My children, and grandchildren are all grown, but I don't want a heathen anywhere around the teaching of my school age great grandchildren.
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« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2025, 03:10:02 PM »
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
As usual.
You have made an art form out of twisting ideas and accusing others of “playing the victim “ when you get called out on you dishonesty masquerading as piety.
What I did with the “f-bomb” was explain its use, not justify it.
Saying that someone wishes the failure of the country because they don’t like the President is just stupid.

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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2025, 04:09:27 PM »
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
As usual.
You have made an art form out of twisting ideas and accusing others of “playing the victim “ when you get called out on you dishonesty masquerading as piety.
What I did with the “f-bomb” was explain its use, not justify it.
Saying that someone wishes the failure of the country because they don’t like the President is just stupid.

Well, my opinion is mine, and doesn't have to coincide, or agree with you, so you're just gonna have to live with my answer to your stupid question.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2025, 01:08:02 AM »
Teacher unions are the leading downfall of our education system.
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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2025, 01:30:42 AM »
Graduated with honors—and can’t read a word
By Maureen Steele
What do you call a nation where a high school student can graduate with honors—yet cannot read or write?

You call it America in 2025.

This week, we learned about Aleysha Ortiz, a 19-year-old who graduated from Hartford Public High School in Connecticut with academic distinction—despite being illiterate. She is now suing the school district, alleging negligence, emotional distress, and a complete abdication of duty by the educators and administrators who were supposed to serve her. Her story, reported by CNN, is both infuriating and emblematic of a national crisis that’s been engineered from the top down.

Aleysha’s early assessments showed severe learning challenges. Her reading level remained at kindergarten or first-grade level well into middle and high school. She was only diagnosed with dyslexia and other learning disabilities after graduation. Think about that: they handed her a diploma while she couldn’t read it. And the kicker? She graduated with honors—a participation trophy for surviving 13 years in an educational meat grinder that masquerades as a public service.

This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s the new normal. And while Connecticut is one of the wealthiest states in the nation—the seat of Ivy League royalty like Yale University—its inner-city public schools are failing catastrophically. If it’s happening in the land of bluebloods and billion-dollar endowments, what hope do kids in Mississippi or the South Side of Chicago have?

The state of Oregon just made matters worse by permanently removing requirements for high school students to demonstrate proficiency in reading, writing, or math in order to graduate (source). Yes, you read that right. The bar isn’t being lowered—it’s being buried. And it’s not about equity. It’s about ensuring a compliant, unskilled, unthinking generation that will never challenge authority, never run a business, never read the Constitution, and never threaten the ruling class.

This is intentional dumbing down—a slow-motion demolition of intellectual capacity engineered through failing public schools, poisoned food, broken homes, and endless digital distraction. Everyone’s got ADHD. Everyone’s on pills. Everyone’s “neurodivergent.” But nobody’s asking why.

It’s the food. It’s the water. It’s the screens. It’s the collapse of family. It’s the teachers too afraid—or too lazy—to resist the orders handed down from the bloated bureaucracies that run education like a Soviet-style factory line.

And yes, the teachers are complicit. If you’re a teacher and you know your student can’t read or write and you promote them anyway because “that’s what the district told me to do,” you are the problem. You’ve betrayed your profession. If your moral compass is still functioning, you should be blowing the whistle—not just collecting a check and saying “I was just following orders.”

Let’s call it what it is: educational malpractice. And it’s not just the teachers. The principals. The vice principals. The school board members. The psychologists and case managers. Every adult in the chain who saw Aleysha struggling and did nothing should be fired and barred from education. Instead, they’ll probably get promoted. Or get a pension. Or tenure.

Ah, yes—tenure. The sacred cow of the failed public school system. Tenure exists to protect bad teachers, reward mediocrity, and make it nearly impossible to fire someone even when they’re harming children. Let’s be real: no one should have a guaranteed job in a field this important. You either do your job, or you lose it—like the rest of us.

But the root rot goes deeper than individual failures. This is the Department of Education’s handiwork. They’ve had a monopoly on curriculum and compliance since 1979, and the result is clear: declining test scores, record illiteracy, politicized classrooms, and entire generations who can’t write a sentence without AI. The federal government touches something, it dies. Put the government in charge of anything, and they will bungle the job—education included.

We need school choice. We need privatization. We need to abolish tenure, fire bad teachers, teachers’ unions, and shut down the Department of Education once and for all. Parents should be free to choose where and how their children are educated. Kids should be taught to think, not indoctrinated. And literacy—basic, human literacy—should not be a radical political demand in 2025.

Aleysha Ortiz deserved better. So do the millions of kids just like her, stuck in failing systems, passed along like defective products on an assembly line of despair. If we don’t change course now, we’ll have no future left to read about—because no one will be able to read.
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2025, 04:03:08 AM »
Graduated with honors—and can’t read a word
By Maureen Steele
What do you call a nation where a high school student can graduate with honors—yet cannot read or write?

You call it America in 2025.

This week, we learned about Aleysha Ortiz, a 19-year-old who graduated from Hartford Public High School in Connecticut with academic distinction—despite being illiterate. She is now suing the school district, alleging negligence, emotional distress, and a complete abdication of duty by the educators and administrators who were supposed to serve her. Her story, reported by CNN, is both infuriating and emblematic of a national crisis that’s been engineered from the top down.

Aleysha’s early assessments showed severe learning challenges. Her reading level remained at kindergarten or first-grade level well into middle and high school. She was only diagnosed with dyslexia and other learning disabilities after graduation. Think about that: they handed her a diploma while she couldn’t read it. And the kicker? She graduated with honors—a participation trophy for surviving 13 years in an educational meat grinder that masquerades as a public service.

This isn’t an isolated incident. It’s the new normal. And while Connecticut is one of the wealthiest states in the nation—the seat of Ivy League royalty like Yale University—its inner-city public schools are failing catastrophically. If it’s happening in the land of bluebloods and billion-dollar endowments, what hope do kids in Mississippi or the South Side of Chicago have?

The state of Oregon just made matters worse by permanently removing requirements for high school students to demonstrate proficiency in reading, writing, or math in order to graduate (source). Yes, you read that right. The bar isn’t being lowered—it’s being buried. And it’s not about equity. It’s about ensuring a compliant, unskilled, unthinking generation that will never challenge authority, never run a business, never read the Constitution, and never threaten the ruling class.

This is intentional dumbing down—a slow-motion demolition of intellectual capacity engineered through failing public schools, poisoned food, broken homes, and endless digital distraction. Everyone’s got ADHD. Everyone’s on pills. Everyone’s “neurodivergent.” But nobody’s asking why.

It’s the food. It’s the water. It’s the screens. It’s the collapse of family. It’s the teachers too afraid—or too lazy—to resist the orders handed down from the bloated bureaucracies that run education like a Soviet-style factory line.

And yes, the teachers are complicit. If you’re a teacher and you know your student can’t read or write and you promote them anyway because “that’s what the district told me to do,” you are the problem. You’ve betrayed your profession. If your moral compass is still functioning, you should be blowing the whistle—not just collecting a check and saying “I was just following orders.”

Let’s call it what it is: educational malpractice. And it’s not just the teachers. The principals. The vice principals. The school board members. The psychologists and case managers. Every adult in the chain who saw Aleysha struggling and did nothing should be fired and barred from education. Instead, they’ll probably get promoted. Or get a pension. Or tenure.

Ah, yes—tenure. The sacred cow of the failed public school system. Tenure exists to protect bad teachers, reward mediocrity, and make it nearly impossible to fire someone even when they’re harming children. Let’s be real: no one should have a guaranteed job in a field this important. You either do your job, or you lose it—like the rest of us.

But the root rot goes deeper than individual failures. This is the Department of Education’s handiwork. They’ve had a monopoly on curriculum and compliance since 1979, and the result is clear: declining test scores, record illiteracy, politicized classrooms, and entire generations who can’t write a sentence without AI. The federal government touches something, it dies. Put the government in charge of anything, and they will bungle the job—education included.

We need school choice. We need privatization. We need to abolish tenure, fire bad teachers, teachers’ unions, and shut down the Department of Education once and for all. Parents should be free to choose where and how their children are educated. Kids should be taught to think, not indoctrinated. And literacy—basic, human literacy—should not be a radical political demand in 2025.

Aleysha Ortiz deserved better. So do the millions of kids just like her, stuck in failing systems, passed along like defective products on an assembly line of despair. If we don’t change course now, we’ll have no future left to read about—because no one will be able to read.

I read this article and many more like it, glad you posted it. The things the school system wanted for MY son were abominable and many so a small sample. Wanted to put him on adhd medication like all three of my sil’s boys his cousins by my wife’s sister close in age and same school system, wanted to put him in a special school where there were anywhere between 1 and 3 kids approximately per class that they decide when he can go back to public schools and we’re inhabited by kids from the detention facility, had a slogan “ it takes a community to raise a child “ sound familiar? And our principal told him that “ he was his father “ all while my son was barely 60#’s and 6 years old.
   I had soured to school long before these occurrences, the superintendent was surprised at my less than grateful acceptance of her terms :), the principal was a ignorant thug who for some strange reason was uncomfortable around me…

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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2025, 10:22:46 AM »
 “ Well, my opinion is mine, and doesn't have to coincide, or agree with you, so you're just gonna have to live with my answer to your stupid question.”
No one really believes that what they understand to be true is an “opinion”. What you believe is a fact otherwise why believe it. “Opinion “ is what other people think is true. You believe that I have “opinions”. You disagree with mine because you believe that you have facts that show that you are correct and I am not.

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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2025, 10:40:30 AM »
“ Well, my opinion is mine, and doesn't have to coincide, or agree with you, so you're just gonna have to live with my answer to your stupid question.”
No one really believes that what they understand to be true is an “opinion”. What you believe is a fact otherwise why believe it. “Opinion “ is what other people think is true. You believe that I have “opinions”. You disagree with mine because you believe that you have facts that show that you are correct and I am not.

Ok, what's your point?
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