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Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« on: November 23, 2020, 06:39:56 AM »
Black Rifle Coffee portrays themselves as a pro 2A, conservative company. Yet the CEO, Evan Hafer donates to Democrat politicians:
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Evan+Hafer

CEO Evan Hafer also disavowed Kyle Rittenhouse:
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/22/black-rifle-coffee-disavows-kyle-rittenhouse-fans-question-conservative-creds-and-backbone-998910
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2020, 04:50:56 PM »
Thanks for that info.
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2020, 02:58:33 PM »
Black Rifle Coffee portrays themselves as a pro 2A, conservative company. Yet the CEO, Evan Hafer donates to Democrat politicians:
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Evan+Hafer

CEO Evan Hafer also disavowed Kyle Rittenhouse:
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/22/black-rifle-coffee-disavows-kyle-rittenhouse-fans-question-conservative-creds-and-backbone-998910

  Whoa, hold on there a bit!  What does it mean for some company to "sponsor" somebody.  Do we expect companies to sponsor 17 year old kids who plan on playing security during a riot?  I could be wearing a Ford or Chevy T-shirt, while speeding 30 over the limit; is that the fault of Ford or Chevy ?  I understood that the kid was hired as security for a store that was afraid they were about to be looted..  Sure, what I saw in the video, it looked like it was self defense for the kid, but don't expect any company to jump into the fray at trhis point!

  The link suggests that Hafer has "no backbone"..i do doubt the accuracy of that statement, since he served in Iraq with the Green Berets, and later in similar capacity with the CIA.

 https://www.thevetsproject.com/the-blog/2019/9/3/evan-hafer-army-special-operations-oif-oef-veteran

In the second link you posted, Hafer was accused of somehow betraying Rittenhouse.  Here is Hafer's statement there ... I don't see it as a betrayal, but as a statement that they in no way "sponsored" or involved with Rittenhouse or his lawyers..

   “We do not support legal advocacy efforts. We do not sponsor nor do we have a relationship with the 17-year-old facing charges in Kenosha, WI,” the company said.

“We believe in the integrity of the legal justice system, and support law enforcement officials. We’re grateful for the continued support of the Black Rifle Coffee community and eager to continue serving those who serve.”
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2020, 01:14:18 AM »
Black Rifle Coffee portrays themselves as a pro 2A, conservative company. Yet the CEO, Evan Hafer donates to Democrat politicians:
https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Evan+Hafer

CEO Evan Hafer also disavowed Kyle Rittenhouse:
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/22/black-rifle-coffee-disavows-kyle-rittenhouse-fans-question-conservative-creds-and-backbone-998910

  Whoa, hold on there a bit!  What does it mean for some company to "sponsor" somebody.  Do we expect companies to sponsor 17 year old kids who plan on playing security during a riot?  I could be wearing a Ford or Chevy T-shirt, while speeding 30 over the limit; is that the fault of Ford or Chevy ?  I understood that the kid was hired as security for a store that was afraid they were about to be looted..  Sure, what I saw in the video, it looked like it was self defense for the kid, but don't expect any company to jump into the fray at trhis point!

  The link suggests that Hafer has "no backbone"..i do doubt the accuracy of that statement, since he served in Iraq with the Green Berets, and later in similar capacity with the CIA.

 https://www.thevetsproject.com/the-blog/2019/9/3/evan-hafer-army-special-operations-oif-oef-veteran

In the second link you posted, Hafer was accused of somehow betraying Rittenhouse.  Here is Hafer's statement there ... I don't see it as a betrayal, but as a statement that they in no way "sponsored" or involved with Rittenhouse or his lawyers..

   “We do not support legal advocacy efforts. We do not sponsor nor do we have a relationship with the 17-year-old facing charges in Kenosha, WI,” the company said.

“We believe in the integrity of the legal justice system, and support law enforcement officials. We’re grateful for the continued support of the Black Rifle Coffee community and eager to continue serving those who serve.”

So you're trying to say that a company whose CEO donated to Obama, Tulsi Gabbard and Actblue (the organization that Black Lives Matter funnels their money to the DNC through) is conservative and pro 2A?
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2020, 02:39:07 AM »
I drink Community Coffee.
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2020, 02:24:08 PM »
 Actually, I didn't say that, but it looks like the search result shown below, may have!

  What I cautioned about is the link you posted that claimed Hafer "has no backbone", which I consider a difficult thing to prove about a man who has served in a combat zone, as a Green Beret !!

Well, here's your link that supposedly shows Hafer donating to Democrats;
   https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Evan+Hafer

  You will notice that on the given page, there is slot above right, where one can search by name, any donor and to whom the donations were made...so I typed in Hafer's name, and received a reply that they had no record on him!  go figure...

   Here is what the page looked like after my search;

 https://www.fec.gov/search/?type=candidates&type=committees&type=site&query=Evan+Hafer

  We have to be careful how quickly we jump onto reports that suggest a known conservative has "jumped ship"...such could be a lefty trick..
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2020, 12:04:03 AM »
Actually, I didn't say that, but it looks like the search result shown below, may have!

  What I cautioned about is the link you posted that claimed Hafer "has no backbone", which I consider a difficult thing to prove about a man who has served in a combat zone, as a Green Beret !!

Well, here's your link that supposedly shows Hafer donating to Democrats;
   https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?contributor_name=Evan+Hafer

  You will notice that on the given page, there is slot above right, where one can search by name, any donor and to whom the donations were made...so I typed in Hafer's name, and received a reply that they had no record on him!  go figure...

   Here is what the page looked like after my search;

 https://www.fec.gov/search/?type=candidates&type=committees&type=site&query=Evan+Hafer

  We have to be careful how quickly we jump onto reports that suggest a known conservative has "jumped ship"...such could be a lefty trick..

You have to type in his name under contributor details then set the dates down at the bottom.

Evan has admitted to these donations in an interview and that's the official fec website so it's not like there's any funny business. He has donated to anti-gun Democrats, plain and simple. In the interview he claimed that he donated to Obama's campaign because he lost a bet. Ok, let's take him at face value on that. Then he stated he supported Tulsi Gabbard's campaign because she's a vet. Fine but there are a lot of vets who are anti-gun leftists and Tulsi is one of them. Tulsi Gabbard stated right on her campaign website that she supports red flag laws, gun registration, banning semi-auto rifles and 30 round magazines yet Evan donated to her campaign. Is that something a guy who markets himself as a pro 2A conservative would do?

On top of that, the whole reason he released the public statement about Kyle Rittenhouse was because of pressure from SJW leftists on Instagram. They kept asking him if he disavowed Rittenhouse after the photo of Rittenhouse wearing a Black Rifle Coffee shirt went viral. He caved to the leftist social media mob, people who would never drink his coffee anyway. He could have just stayed neutral and silent but he decided to placate the mob instead.

As you know, the 2A community and conservatives have supported Kyle Rittenhouse because of the clear video evidence that shows he acted in self defense against the BLM looters. Kyle was able to post bail because of help from high profile conservatives like the CEO of MyPillow and actor Rick Schroder. Black Rifle Coffee's logo has an AR-15 on it. Their commercials are all gun related, they market their products at gun shows and gun stores. I think the conservative 2A community would have been fine if Black Rifle had stayed out of it and kept quiet but they instead chose to go out of there way to let the leftists know that they in no way, shape or form support Kyle Rittenhouse. This has angered many people who actually do drink their coffee. Couple that with donations to anti-gun Democrats and you rightly have people questioning whether they want to support that company anymore.
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2020, 02:42:23 AM »
  I am fairly convinced that Rittenhouse correctly shot in self defense...after all, I believe that only far left jackasses would be stupid enough to attack a man who is carrying a loaded AR !
    I just thought it was a stretch for somebody to accuse Hafer of cowardice, in the face of evidence which points in another direction.  I suppose it will all "come out in the wash".
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2020, 02:54:05 AM »
It was on Google that he had donated to the  Clinton foundation but has been taken down.
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2020, 03:02:42 AM »
Which leaves us to wonder... Did Hafer take it down because it was true, and unpopular?  Or did a random poster take down his own post, because he could not prove his source if challenged?
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2020, 04:01:36 AM »
  KI am fairly convinced that Rittenhouse correctly shot in self defense...after all, I believe that only far left jackasses would be stupid enough to attack a man who is carrying a loaded AR !
    I just thought it was a stretch for somebody to accuse Hafer of cowardice, in t e face of evidence which points in another direction.  I suppose it will all "come out in the wash".

Nobody ever said his service wasn't worthy of recognition but when the going got tough he caved to the leftists and went out of his way to claim no affiliation with Rittenhouse when he didn't need to. He makes political donations to our enemies as well. That was why I titled this thread "fake conservatives?".
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2020, 04:13:19 AM »
Here are a couple of posts on Twitter about Kyle Rittenhouse that Even Hafer liked:

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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2020, 04:14:31 AM »
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Nobody ever said his service wasn't worthy of recognition but when the going got tough he caved to the leftists and went out of his way to claim no affiliation with Rittenhouse when he didn't need to. He makes political donations to our enemies as well. That was why I titled this thread "fake conservatives?".
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Re: Black Rifle Coffee, fake conservatives?
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2020, 04:40:53 AM »
[quote author=Doublebass73

Nobody ever said his service wasn't worthy of recognition but when the going got tough he caved to the leftists and went out of his way to claim no affiliation with Rittenhouse when he didn't need to. He makes political donations to our enemies as well. That was why I titled this thread "fake conservatives?".

Shoe fits, put it on.
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Exactly. We have enough enemies as it is so we don't need additional enemies masquerading as "allies".
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