my take on the impeachment

[Lloyd Smale]

 Ive seen people on other sites laughing about this. Saying the liberals are peeing in the wind. If your laughing it off or think your up against a bunch of fools its you that's an  idot. This is very serious and my guess is president trump sure as heck isn't laughing or taking it lightly. The liberals have proven theres no bottom to there black pot. they will use any means possible to impeach him and dont even care about the backlash there getting or will get for going so low. I think they know there party is already hurt and maybe even terminally hurt so they really have nothing to loose. I think they feel they don't have much chance to beat Trump in an election and this is there ONLY chance and even if they get him impeached and he stays in office and gets reelected they feel at least they can claim a victory for themselves for accomplishing that. then we have to listen to 4 more years of them trying to find more things to go after him with. Add to that that this country is so close to 5050 that even a few republicans go the other way it can make a world of difference.


But up against a bunch of stupid liberals??? Don't count on it. If anything its the other way. I think we as republicans have eased up our fight while on the other hand the liberals have turned it into an obsession. Take them lightly or consider them fools and there going to feed you your lunch. Bottom line is they have caught president trump making mistakes. Major enough for impeachment? I don't know. Im a republican so am going to say no but the other side really thinks they do. Bottom line is if they had absolutely nothing this would have died all ready. They have enough that even if they cant impeach him can make him awful uncomfortable. He is like no other president. People either love him or hate him. The haters are much worse then the haters Obama had. But bottom line is this country is about as close to 5050 lovers/haters with very few in the middle. There would have been race riots if we treated Obama like trump is being treated. Sad thing is it will leave scars on the presidency that will never heal. This is just he beginning. Consider it a war and in war NEVER underestimate your enemy!

[O-mega]

Bottom line is if they had absolutely nothing this would have died all ready.

This is the only thing I disagree on, the Russia collusion thing was a big nothing, yet they spent all those million trying, what? Raising suspicions, political wavering by some republicans? No, they went in knowing it was a big nothing and still kept at it, so I think this will end up the same, but will raise enough suspicions that it may tip the scales in their direction.  And with the MSM only reporting negative stories on the administration, and positive lefty news, there will be quite a few conservatives that will fall for it.

[Argent 88]

I feel like Trump will carry the rust belt again. Maybe even a few more blue states, voters are getting sick of
all this Democrat nonsense.

[BUGEYE]

Well Lloyd, you start right out calling people idiots who disagree with you, and I do disagree.
The democrats are so full of hate that they are grasping at straws.
Quid pro quo is not a high crime or misdemeanor, so Trump will be acquitted.

[Lloyd Smale]

Sure never called a single person here an idot. Sure aren't looking for conflict with you. Please don't bring the ### stirring here. We are all on the same side.  I sure cant argue with you that there grasping straw at straws but that is when people are the most dangerous. When they have nothing to loose.  My point is that some will dismiss them as idiots that don't have a chance.  There is hate on both sides. Id just like to see our side take a step back and not underestimate our adversary's and keep our heads screwed on and not lower ourselves to there level. The way to beat them is to calmly use the power of the constitution and intelligent level heads. Not throwing insults and abusing the power of political offices like they do. If we do we are no better then they are and like I said NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMY.

[Argent 88]

Leave all the fighting on TOS. 

[VA Rifleman]

Lloyd has a good argument with not underestimating our opponents. 

The underdog, Team Trump is up against the Deep State, the MSM, Twiiter, Facebook, all the Democrats, big money and hostile / indifferent Republicans. 

The Democrats see this as a battle to death while the Republicans are operating with Marquess of Queensberry rules.

Trump can not lean back and do a rope a dope. We need to be on the offensive. The two men who hold the destiny of the country in their hands are AG Barr and John Durham. I pray they are up to the occasion.

[BUGEYE]

Ive seen people on other sites laughing about this. Saying the liberals are peeing in the wind. If your laughing it off or think your up against a bunch of fools its you that's an  idot.

I'm laughing it off, so I'm an idiot.
Lloyd, for GOD's sake quit calling people names.
Thanks in advance.

[Argent 88]

I thought we all agreed that this wasn't going to happen here? Matt doesent need to deal with all this
crap.

[Argent 88]

Stop it, stop it now. Site Moderator!!! We are not going to attract new members, or returns acting like this.

[Graybeard]

Yes I agree, stop it. Leave the pissing contests over at the other site. Don't bring it here.

[Argent 88]

Thank you sir.  nw...hunter was a super moderator, he has the experience. Perhaps he could help out here.

[neckisred]

The politics forum caused a lot of pissing matches on the other site. Just sayin.

[BUGEYE]

Yes I agree, stop it. Leave the pissing contests over at the other site. Don't bring it here.

I totally agree, and for the last few years I have gotten in the habit of not calling names.
It was easy when I set my mind to it.

[Graybeard]

NW-Hunter is a moderator here on this forum, both the Pot Bellied Stove Forum and Political Discussion forum in fact.

[Bob Riebe]

Bottom line is if they had absolutely nothing this would have died all ready.

No it would not and reason they are keeping at it outside of out right hate for Pres. Trump and conservatives is they people will start thinking just what you said.--Well if there were not something it would have gone away == and as you said it , it is working in some.
Messages have been discovered now that verified that the process to remove trump, by any means, started the day he was elected.They conversation said that CNN would be part of the process.
The good thing about this is it exposes the Left and Washington insiders for self-centered arrogant  cult they are who consider any one not living on the East or West coast or even in a non-blue state to be vial peons with the value of hemorrhoids.God's way of waking up the general public to ignorant and naive they had become.

[BUGEYE]

Bottom line is if they had absolutely nothing this would have died all ready.

No it would not and reason they are keeping at outside of out right hate for Pres. Trump and conservatives is they people will start thing just what you said.--Well if there were not something it would have gone away == and as you said it , it is working in some.
Messages have been discovered now that verified that the process to remove trump, by any means, started the day he was elected.They coversation said that CNN would be part of the process.
The good thing about this is it exposes the Left and Washington insiders for self-centered arrogant  cult they are who consider any one not living on the East or West coast or even in a non-blue state to be vial peons with the value of hemorrhoids.God's way of waking up the general public to ignorant and naive they had become.

I have never seen as much hate in a group in my life.
They are consumed with it and it will destroy them.

[nw_hunter]

Yes I agree, stop it. Leave the pissing contests over at the other site. Don't bring it here.

You heard the man! And as a moderator here, I'm going to moderate like we did on the old GBO. There will be no flaming going on. At least not for long,so please folks keep it clean and respectful.


Getting back to the Impeachment thing. I think Trump is fighting an uphill battle even in his own party.He has a few supporters in the house and senate,but mainly he has us. (the ones who elected him) I think we tend to think of Democrats as the only Liberals. Not true! The new Republican party is full of them as well. Liberalism,socialism,communism......NWO. Call it what you will. These are the folks that make up the swamp, and they are a formidable foe. JMO

[Lloyd Smale]

I think we tend to think of Democrats as the only Liberals. Not true! The new Republican party is full of them as well. Liberalism,socialism,communism......NWO. Call it what you will. These are the folks that make up the swamp, and they are a formidable foe. JMO

yup its why I said that if they only convince a few borderline conservatives that the president is stepping out of line and to step to the dark side its a victory for them. This country is split so close to 5050 that those few could make the difference. Like I said right now they have nothing to loose and everything to gain. As to hate id say that's about split 5050 too. I don't see any slack cut to the liberals and socialists by any conservatives either. Maybe they started it but that's a grade school argument. As much as id like clear heads and "conservative" actions I fear its gone past the point of no return. It will change our political system for ever. I can just see china Russia and korea having a good laugh at it saying "we can sit back and watch then tear each other apart. Its proof democracy doesn't work" Like Nw hunter said. If you doubt that just look at the high ranking republican Politian's that have failed to back up our president and the complete traders in the party. Heck want a great example of there bs working. Look at the bushes. Two presidents that I VOTED FOR that sold out the president. THIS IS A SERIOUS AND ORGANIZED ATTACK. It sure isn't some lame attack by a bunch of mixed up liberals. Probably more organized then we will ever know. ( Clintons  )

[BUGEYE]

The liberals have always been better "organized" for the simple reason that their hierarchy promises utopia and the masses fall for it.
Conservatives have always been too busy working and raising a family to notice the decline of this country, until Trump came along and opened some eyes.
And Trump, who is a threat to their scheme, is hated beyond reason.

I visited a communist utopia, and the wreck and ruin was heartbreaking.

[Bob Riebe]

The Rinos have hated Trump since day one, they are just as much a lying threat as the Dem.One has to admire, or at least give credit, with Dem. loyalty to what ever the DNC says; Republicans are weak spined sleaze, to, too far t a degree, who simply want to stay in office and collect the bennies that brings.They are house of cars as far as dealing with conservative rhetoric.