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68pdr sliding carriage
« on: April 01, 2013, 10:40:03 PM »
Hi All,
My latest project is to make a sliding carriage for the 68pdr Dundas barrel.
Just a few pictures to show how far I have got with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is made from English oak (green) as it will be on outside display, My thanks to A Roads for information he has sent me which has opened up a few questions which we are looking in to
 

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 10:33:36 AM »
No tinkering with small scale stuff with that, a 68 pr on a sliding carriage & traversing platform is pretty full on! A great job you are doing as well, I look forward with pleasure to seeing photos as the project progresses. Adrian

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2013, 02:58:27 AM »
Thanks Adrian,
Yes you are right, some heavy stuff I am guessing that the all up weight when finished is going to be somewhere between 10 to 12 ton. I have managed I think that I will be able to get the Army to do the lifting and installing of the carriage and barrel for me which will save us some money but also they get a training day out of it for the trainees. Must admit I am quite looking forward to getting the barrel proofed and letting this baby go with a bang.
I am awaiting the metal work for the upper part of the carriage which we should see finished in a few days or so.

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2013, 03:17:59 AM »
rivercat,
You have me totally intrigued.  I love this kind of stuff.
I especially like the large builds like this one.  Please keep the pictures coming.
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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2013, 11:27:45 AM »
letting this baby go with a bang.


Pics and video are a MUST!!!!

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2013, 03:25:06 PM »
rivercat,

We always love build projects here--big or small.  But you need to be warned, most of us are just not satisfied until we see the smoke and fire from the finished product!!!  :)

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2013, 11:05:50 PM »
rivercat,

We always love build projects here--big or small.  But you need to be warned, most of us are just not satisfied until we see the smoke and fire from the finished product!!!  :)
Dont worry lads I will keep you up to date with it, It will take some time and I am hoping that it will be finished by the end of the year as we also have to build the gun emplacement for it as well which when you add everything up is quite an undertaking .

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 12:27:27 AM »
Rivercat,
First of all, thanks for all your informative posts (with good photos I might add). You mentioned that green English oak was used for this chassis; but what was involved in the whole process of getting and finishing the lumber used? I'm assuming that the paste seen in the photos was used to seal cracks which formed in the wood.
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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 04:53:32 AM »
Rivercat,
First of all, thanks for all your informative posts (with good photos I might add). You mentioned that green English oak was used for this chassis; but what was involved in the whole process of getting and finishing the lumber used? I'm assuming that the paste seen in the photos was used to seal cracks which formed in the wood.
Hi Cannoneer,Well with Green oak of that size in the UK you would need to really go to a timber yard the size of the two side long parts are 16inch sq and starting about 25ft long the weight of these which is approx 3 ton before machining for the both of them or so the telll tale alarm in the forklift going off as I lifted them over the entrance gates to the Fort told me. At the fort we can only deal with timber up to 10inch through the machines we have. This was cut at a timber yard with a tungsten tipped bandsaw and then planed up on their planer.
Now you are right we do get some cracking, We decided to go for green oak as the carriage is and will be permanately outside and this would help with the timber movement until it settles down. In the UK we do have a lot more rain and wet weather so this is the better route to go rather that kiln dried which would then soak up the moisture.
I have found by trial and error the best way to sort out the cracks is to use a mixture of sawdust and PVA waterproof glue mixed together and fill the cracks that way, this still allows the wood to move . We have tried two part filler but have found that this after a couple of days then cracks again. We also coat the whole thing with a Zinc primer for adhesion, then 2no under coats and finally 2no topcoats.
Hope that helps.

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2013, 10:15:39 PM »
Hi All, Well we have been a bit stalled on this project for a little while due to lack of funds but happy to say we started up again over the weekend. I have now set out on two sheets of plywood the full scale plans for the top part of the carriage with the view of sorting out the metalwork for the bolts and cap squares etc photos to follow.

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2013, 08:22:08 PM »
Hi All,
Some pictures of the start of the metalwork for the 68pdr, on the plywood sheet is the setting out for the upper part of the carriage.




 

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2013, 01:51:14 AM »
rivercat,
I am interested to know how you are making those slotted heads on the long bolts.  And how you are attaching them to the rod.
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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2013, 04:54:55 AM »
simply amazing.. I am on the edge of my seat for updates.

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Re: 68pdr sliding carriage
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2013, 08:09:17 PM »
rivercat,
I am interested to know how you are making those slotted heads on the long bolts.  And how you are attaching them to the rod.
Zulu
Hi Zulu,
Some of the metal work was salvaged from another carriage dating back to the same period but the rods were to short so we have had to lengthen them then cut a new thread and make new nuts. The parts you mentioned have been welded onto the ends of the rods.
We have been struggling for some time with the lack of funds this is why not much has happen on this carriage for some time. We now have enough funds to complete the carriage although we are still about £5000 short for the base.
We are due to go back to the Tenderton railway to bend the rails of which the rear one has been done so only the front one left to do but the issue is weather we can bend the shorter rail tight enough without it cracking as it needs to be about 70degrees curve which on a rail that is about 16feet long is quite an undertaking. the rear rail is about 27feet long and was a bit easier to do although it took 5 people all day.