Author Topic: Mad @ Remington (Read 1819 times)

razmuz · « **on:** April 08, 2006, 04:30:55 PM »

I'm pissed off at Remington for coming out with a new bolt action with the Mauser type extractor. I DON"T NEED ANY MORE RIFLES!! Remington knows that us gun nuts will have to have one. I'll wait awhile and see how they do. Maybe they won't shoot so great? Then I won't have to fool with one. If any of you get one be sure and share your impressions with the Graybeard rifle forum.

Zachary · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2006, 02:19:02 AM »

I haven't even heard this. Where did you find out? I'll check Remington's website.

Zachary

Zachary · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2006, 02:23:27 AM »

I just visited Remington's website.

I think that Remington is trying to cash in on Winchester's disappearance by obtaining Winchester "mauser action" loyalists. I'm curious to see how it works out for Remington. The design is pretty much timeless, so I guess the real answer might be in the quality of the rifle itself.

Zachary

msorenso · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2006, 03:30:51 AM »

I think its a good thing... More variety is always good... I hear allot of simple brain on hear crying about it for what reason I dont understand..

jerkface11 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2006, 03:39:50 AM »

It's the same gun charels daly was importing. Though i'm sure remington will charge more for it. Probably making it more expensive than a CZ but the quality will be lower.

jro45 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2006, 10:06:04 AM »

Remington makes great guns

Atlatl · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2006, 02:10:37 PM »

These Remington Mausers are just rebranded Zastava's from Yugoslavia and formerly imported by Charles Daly. They get the barreled action and stick it in a laminate stock.

http://www.zastava-arms.co.yu/english/civilni.htm

Atlatl · « **Reply #7 on:** April 09, 2006, 02:17:31 PM »

The Sako 85 is being touted as a controlled round feed ... now if turns out to be a true mauser type action, it'll really be interesting. Sako / Beretta needs to adjust their pricing though (lower) if they want to have some sales volume in the states....

NONYA · « **Reply #8 on:** April 09, 2006, 04:30:49 PM »

Rem has been importing overseas junk and slapping thier name on it for some time now,like thier russian made POS shotgun line Spartan :roll:

MGMorden · « **Reply #9 on:** April 09, 2006, 05:57:38 PM »

Quote from: NONYA

Rem has been importing overseas junk and slapping thier name on it for some time now,like thier russian made POS shotgun line Spartan :roll:

From everything I've heard based on when Charlest Daly was importing them, these guns are anything but junk, and are quite well made.

Only thing I wish was done differently is I'd like a striker blocking safety (ala Winchester Mod 70, or even the vertical swing ones on sporterized milsurps), rather than a trigger safety. Of course if these are parts compatible with normal Mauser 98 actions then this is solveable via aftermarket parts.

NONYA · « **Reply #10 on:** April 09, 2006, 07:10:22 PM »

Yhe sounds like a real quality rifle,all you have to do is start working on it after you get it and it will be fine...

MGMorden · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2006, 02:11:11 AM »

Quote from: NONYA

Yhe sounds like a real quality rifle,all you have to do is start working on it after you get it and it will be fine...

"Have to do" suggests required maintenance. I mentioned a possible modification to the gun to get a different type of safety. If your requirement for a high quality firearm is that there be no aftermarket accessories to keep you from working on it, then if you look through a Brownells catalog just about every rifle our there is gonna become "junk".

The point was that it works well as designed, but that I'd like a different type of safety. Interesting to note that Remington's own 700 series that's not the "imported junk" uses the trigger safeties as well, so it's no better in that regard.

msorenso · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2006, 05:50:14 AM »

Nonya,
If you knew anything at all you would button your lip about this imported action. :roll:

NONYA · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2006, 04:06:16 AM »

If I knew anything at all?I have six chrome mauser actioned parade rifles sitting in my fathers shop that is full of these older mauser actions that hes uses to BUILD his custom rifles.These 6 came from the bolivian armys parade armory and have never been fired,the barrels were slugged and the actions were still full of cosmoline when I recieved them,they were manufactured in Europe ut are stamped with the Bolivian army crest .He uses the mauser action and the rem 700 action on everything he builds,mostly the mauser actions because they are cheaper and more avaliable,he uses 700 action on everything he builds for himself and his family.Most of the mauser actions he buys as complete rifles,mil surplus from south America.Dont jump to any conclusions about me Soren,this discusion wasnt about the quality of a mauser actioned rifle,its about the junk that Rem is putting its name on these days,starting with the Spartan line.

jerkface11 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2006, 06:25:30 AM »

Too bad they're priced HIGHER than a CZ. But at least with the remington you get a gun with an ugly stock and no sights.

NONYA · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2006, 06:30:56 AM »

LOL sounds like a great deal Ill take 2!

MGMorden · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2006, 07:15:50 AM »

Quote from: jerkface11

Too bad they're priced HIGHER than a CZ. But at least with the remington you get a gun with an ugly stock and no sights.

MSRP on a CZ 550 American is $623.
MSRP on a Remington 598 is . . . $599.

CZ American Safari Classic is MSRP $875
Rem 598 in .375 H&H/.458 Win Mag is MSRP $839

As to sights, some models of both do and don't include sights. The CZ American models don't have them. The CZ FS models do, but they run about $75 extra and have a full Mannlicher stock (not my taste, and it has the fixed sling loops that will get in the way if I choose to carry without a sling). The small/medium bore Remingtons don't have sights. The .458 Win Mag and .375 H&H Mag both do come with sights as is traditional with big-bores like those. That being said most people don't want them anyways, which is why so many models from different companies don't include them, and why one of the primary conversation topics on miltiary sporterizing forums is removing the iron sights off of the barrel.

As to the look of the stock, that's pretty subjective. Some prefer laminate, some prefer hardwood. Technically laminate is usually more accurate as it changes shape less with humidity, but then again it's also usually heavier. You can't really say one or the other is definatively "better" though.

Of course, none of this is meant to put down the CZ. They make fine (imported) rifles as well, and I will likely have one within the next few years, but I think some people are unjustly criticizing Remington's new product offerings.

Quote from: NONYA

If I knew anything at all?I have six chrome mauser actioned parade rifles sitting in my fathers shop that is full of these older mauser actions that hes uses to BUILD his custom rifles.These 6 came from the bolivian armys parade armory and have never been fired,the barrels were slugged and the actions were still full of cosmoline when I recieved them,they were manufactured in Europe ut are stamped with the Bolivian army crest .He uses the mauser action and the rem 700 action on everything he builds,mostly the mauser actions because they are cheaper and more avaliable,he uses 700 action on everything he builds for himself and his family.Most of the mauser actions he buys as complete rifles,mil surplus from south America.Dont jump to any conclusions about me Soren,this discusion wasnt about the quality of a mauser actioned rifle,its about the junk that Rem is putting its name on these days,starting with the Spartan line.

Sounds like your father is doing more with them than you actually are. Funny though how when your father imports these actions and builds on them they're oh so wonderful but when Remington imports a Mauser action and suddenly they're junk guns.

NONYA · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2006, 09:22:26 AM »

What my father does with them is one off custom built guns,if you dont know the difference between that and the stuff charles dailey sells you should just buy the charles dailey,its probably enough to keep you braggin for years... :roll:

Zachary · « **Reply #18 on:** April 10, 2006, 09:33:36 AM »

Okay, let me put on my moderator hat.

Let's not get into any potential personal attacks.

Thanks,
Zachary

MGMorden · « **Reply #19 on:** April 10, 2006, 09:45:40 AM »

Quote from: NONYA

What my father does with them is one off custom built guns,if you dont know the difference between that and the stuff charles dailey sells you should just buy the charles dailey,its probably enough to keep you braggin for years... :roll:

I have a custom built on a Mauser action and am in the process of having another built on an Eddystone Enfield action. I know the difference, but the difference between a custom rifle and a factory rifle was not the difference that you originally criticized.

Quote from: NONYA

Rem has been importing overseas junk and slapping thier name on it for some time now,like thier russian made POS shotgun line Spartan

(emphasis mine)

You have stated that Remington has been importing junk, but the only criteria you give for this is that they are in fact imported. No other reason for the dislike is given. The only thing we can therefore conclude is that you are stating that these rifles are junk because they are imported. The issue at hand then becomes imported versus domestic, not factory versus custom. It has been stated that these rifles are of good quality compared to domestic factory rifles. You continued to degrade them, so you are essentially finding fault with the rifle versus custom builts, which would be unfair, or finding fault versus domestic factories, which would be incorrect.

That's not to say that there aren't better made factory domestic rifles (just as there are better made imported factory rifles), but to give it the label "junk" is simply not a well thought out position.

And I avoided any personal attacks Zach :wink:. If you feel that the entire discussion would be better continued over email though just give the signal and it shall be so.

NONYA · « **Reply #20 on:** April 10, 2006, 11:51:16 PM »

I have shot a couple of the Spartans,an over/under and a side by side,fit and finish was crap,they feel like crap,the wood is poor grade,the price is way overated,they are made in russia with all the attention given to a plow(made in china),I owned a charles Dailey semi auto,it broke and was returned for cash,Remington builds a good action,they are just getting into importing junk ,slapping thier name on it and charging Remington prices,they are destroying thier reputaton with anyone that knows whats up,I have nothing further to say save your email.

jerkface11 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2006, 05:21:14 AM »

Well i guess if they're $20 cheaper than a CZ they're a good deal :roll:

mjbgalt · « **Reply #22 on:** April 11, 2006, 06:14:53 AM »

guys, all MG is saying is that they have a good reputation. let it go.

the price was brought up to illustrate a point of contention, not to say that it was better.

the "import" is neither here nor there. something isn't junk because of how it gets to the USA, either being built here or shipped here are both viable ways to get a quality gun.

Spartan has nothing to do with these Mausers...the Spartan line are cheap but workable guns made for the lowest price points, sorta like the NEF guns.

now before someone flames me, i am simply saying they are affordable for people on a budget, not that one is better than the other.

the only way we will really know the quality is to buy or shoot one...something some of us will do and be open to....and some of us will not. it would just be nice if on this and every other forum on the net, for the sake of open-minded discussion, that more people actually touched the guns they talk about so they have some frame of reference before putting them down or talking them up.

my humble opinion.

-Matt

Omaha-BeenGlockin · « **Reply #23 on:** April 11, 2006, 09:44:14 AM »

Thing is---I bought a cherry Yugo Mauser for $150----but you don't get a choice of caliber---8x57. Why pay Remington's jacked up price???

MGMorden · « **Reply #24 on:** April 11, 2006, 10:44:07 AM »

Quote from: Omaha-BeenGlockin

Thing is---I bought a cherry Yugo Mauser for $150----but you don't get a choice of caliber---8x57. Why pay Remington's jacked up price???

Commercial or miltiary? If that's a true commercial action then you did good (very good). If it's military, it's still not a bad starting point for a custom (though my last M48A was only $80), but it takes a bit of work to get one setup the same way as the Remington (drill/tap, bend bolt, new safety, new trigger, new stock). It's also a used gun versus a new gun. Still, you can build a decent sporter for less than the Remington, but I think they're aiming for a different market.

Admittedly though, IMHO a military sporter (a well done one anyways) has a bit more "character" than most off the shelf rifles these days.

slab12 · « **Reply #25 on:** May 23, 2006, 10:44:40 AM »

I bought a Charles Daly in 270 just before Remington took over the import and I've got to tell you fellows that while its not the smoothest action, the rifle shoots 3/4" groups with no work other than ajusting the trigger down to 3lbs.

jro45 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 23, 2006, 11:25:41 AM »

Quote from: Zachary

I just visited Remington's website.

I think that Remington is trying to cash in on Winchester's disappearance by obtaining Winchester "mauser action" loyalists. I'm curious to see how it works out for Remington. The design is pretty much timeless, so I guess the real answer might be in the quality of the rifle itself.

Zachary

Winchester hasn't stopped making rifles. They only closed that one plant.
Thats what they told me.

The Sodbuster · « **Reply #27 on:** May 24, 2006, 12:24:07 PM »

Has anyone picked up one of these Remington, Mauser action imports? Are they widely available yet?

Questor · « **Reply #28 on:** May 25, 2006, 03:26:49 AM »

They are ugly.

DavOh · « **Reply #29 on:** May 26, 2006, 06:53:34 AM »

I'm sure there will be lukewarm sales of the "598" and Spartans, because many people don't pay attension to "made in" labels... or just dont care. But my money does the walking, and it's walking elsewhere. Would I buy a Model 700, maybe mabye not. Would I buy a 598? no. Same reason I wont by Weatherby Vangard or Browning, or Winchester.

Does the "598" shoot well? Who knows? I don't and don't care to. There are more aspects to choosing a rifle and I would rather buy an American made rifle with a proven track record and proven accuracy.

Just my $0.02