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Offline Anna

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The German's have done it !
« on: January 15, 2013, 01:08:01 AM »
But at 50kw and a range of less than a mile it still isn't anything out of a Terminator movie.
It is however even as a prototype something that could lead to smaller and better things .
JANE's had an article about this back in October and they said it was riddled with cooling
problems, but it does look like they are working that out. Our Navy fired one on a small boat
like target last year but to do any real damage the beam had to be a continual burn in one
spot. No real target is going to sit still and let you cook it. So the Navy's real focus has been
more toward the rail guns for ship to ship, or ship to air combat. In that area we are way
ahead of anyone else and the rails as they are called use caseless ammunition.         

In that respect the magazine capacity could be a X5 over anything conventual taking up the 
same space and weight. And they use only 10% of the power needed to fire a laser like this 
one does. Bringing up the popular conception that your ammo and your power source could
both be housed in the guns magazine allowing the soldier unlimited fire power if he had more
mags. Even with the power source on board, with the caseless ammo it would still triple the
fire power of any rifle currently being used today out of a single magazine capacity.
What I am saying is that we are a lot closer to seeing this technology on any given battlefield
than we are any laser type weapons. 

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/14/germans-build-successfully-test-laser-weapon/?intcmp=features

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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 05:15:16 AM »
That's pretty amazing.Possibly the day will come when our troops carry pocket sized phazers.
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 07:25:30 AM »
Anna, I have followed your entries and am of the impression you are one of the really smart
people here at Graybeard.
Thanks for enlightening us.
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 07:38:14 AM »
yeah, but an unobstructed straight line of fire is difficult to achieve in combat settings.  Still, it has potential and is certainly a springboard for other future inventions.
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 08:25:03 AM »
Its a good thing the Nazi's are not still running the show over there. ;D

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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 03:43:37 PM »
At least for any long term applications the rails will always beat out any beam type weapons as far as
more bang for the buck. Lasers require a whole lot of power to be effective even in short burst .
And would be used more as a defensive emplacement weapon than anything else .
Rails on the other hand could fire just about any projectile imaginable at incredible velocities .
In fact that velocity would have to be tuned down in order not to encounter the same heat as a space
capsule does during reentry into the thick atmosphere on this planet. The weapons used by those
Marines in Aliens were fictious examples of what an infantry rail would consist of. 6mm with a mag
capacity in the hundreds with adjustable velocitys. Rail technology is even scheduled to replace the
older steam powered catapults on our aircraft carriers.Plus you do not have the heat build up like you
get with any other conventional firearm. No rifleing is needed, the coils are wound so like an electric
motor spins its rotor shaft. So will they do the same to a projectile making them very accurate with
little recoil. Cyclic rates will become adjustible and could go through the roof without a shell to load

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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 04:40:34 PM »
i've always figured that our military or
some other has a plasma-type weapon
similar to how a plasma cutter works, but
able to project it over a distance.
today's science fiction is tomorrows science.
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 04:59:49 PM »
There is always microwave.  Current technology will fry an auto electrical system pronto.  When they get them downsized they will be formidable as well. 
 
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 05:02:24 PM »
they already have microwave "cannons"
to use on personnel. i've seen that on
a documentary, and the test subjects said
they felt as if on fire. made their firearms
kinda toasty too. . . .
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 06:55:22 PM »
Its a good thing the Nazi's are not still running the show over there. ;D

It is the same ME country that runs yours. :(
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 07:02:05 PM »
No matter what they build, how expensive, long it takes, or how used. As soon as it is perfected Russia, now china will fire one a week later. Now how does that happen?

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« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 10:21:13 PM »
I read this in the paper. It used radar to find the target then one laser to fine tune the aim and a second to shoot the target. But the thing is to big and not easy to move so now thy have to find a way to make it smaller.



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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2013, 11:33:27 PM »
THIS IS A THREAD HI-JACK.
Folks--it is usless to try and play up to Anna and Sharonann. They are to smart for our old and weak lines. I know, I have tried--I get fried every time.
The first plane flew a 100 yard--so they are on track with a good idea.
Back to the topic.
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 01:09:53 AM »
There is always microwave.  Current technology will fry an auto electrical system pronto.  When they get them downsized they will be formidable as well. 
 
Wow!  We're almost living Star Trek!
 
Anna, do they have a deer lazer yet? ;D
 
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Not that I know of Ben, but wouldn't that take the sport out of it real fast ? I have seen some remarkable air rifles over in Europe with incredible compression ratios. They are for small game but
they are on a par with any 22lr out there. The most popular ones are the 5mm rifles and you can sink
a lot of money into one of them. Walther toyed with the 7 & 6mm bores but the range just wasnt
there. The 5mm still had the overall best performance of them all even over the 177.

There were rumors about a Manlicker 5mm that could rate up there with a 22 mag but I never saw
one or knew of anyone who had. The areas I hung around in we're mostly Belgium and Switzerland.
Both these country's are real big on firearms education if you want to enter into that sport. In a way
that isn't a bad idea it certainly would weed out any lose cannons and enhance safety. To me it is
a more sane approach like having to take a course and pass a test before getting a drivers license.

Something the NRA has been harping about now for years instead of banning everything or removing
someone's rights. Finland has its own set of certification that's pretty well set up on this model as
well. Anyway back on topic , microwave is another good alternative but once more. All electro
magnetic spectrum weapons are going to be bulky and consume a lot of power. Not that they will never become a reality, but I feel the rails are the last generation in the evolution of the projectile
type weapon in the context of our current technology and limitations. Any beam type weapon is
going to be in a totally different arena in the definition of a theater type of weapons platform.

It's sort of like comparing a cross bow to a modern day rifle. The comparison just isn't there in how
the weapon not only operates. But how it interacts with its target or how its intended to disable that
target. Get the size and weight down and then the destructive power of that weapon will become
secondary. Just like the advancements made in bullet ballistics have become over the last century.
Rails do not operate on compression or combustion, they are more like launch platforms. So the
age old conception of a smart bullet could well become a reality with them. In other words you can
run but you can not hide . Incenary bullets, explosive, fragmentation, the list is endless on what can
be projected from a rail . Just saying .  ::)













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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 02:49:20 AM »
The laser does not need to kill or totaly destory to be effective . It is aginst the rules of engagement now but in desperate times it can be used to blind . I have a good friend who worked on lasers for the army . He worked on tank sighting systems . He said if you held it on enemy troops and they looked at it it could cause eye damage or blindness.
 He also said if held on a dry tree it could start a fire if held on it long enough.
 I can't claim either to be fact but it does offer posiblities if true.
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2013, 03:45:23 AM »
Thats pretty amazing, I'm pretty sure we have tested one onboard a 747 that has downed a ICBM.  http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/abl/
In the mean time we are working on this:  http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=metalstorm+gun&mid=C1619F7BF6D7910B6B8DC1619F7BF6D7910B6B8D&view=detail&FORM=VIRE4
As far as lasers go I have the 125 MA green and I know it will burn...http://www.wickedlasers.com/
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Re: The German's have done it !
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2013, 04:20:04 AM »
If I had to throw a WAG at this, I'd say this beam technology will see use on naval ships first.  50KW?  That's portable generator capacity.  A nuclear reactor on a ship?  Now you're talking.
As far as no target sitting still long enough to be "cooked"?  They don't need to.  The tracking technology to follow a moving target has existed (at least) since my dad taught guys how to use the auto gunnery systems on the B-52's during the Vietnam era.  The target can be moving at great speed and the laser unit would simply follow along and fry it.
Obstructions?  Light 'em up!
 
Anna, as for air rifles, I think perhaps there is a false stigma to these as being a glorified BB gun?  I've seen ones in 9mm and the .46 cal one Lewis and Clark carried:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle
 
Power on both was about .40S&W or better.
The technology has been around a LONG time.  I believe the technology advances more rapidly in countries with firearms restrictions.  I also expect that there is a power limit that they will let their subjects reach, but not exceed.
 
Rail guns? I don't believe civilians will never have them.
Just my Awf Hand comments...