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U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
« on: January 10, 2013, 03:51:31 AM »

A good Read

 Stephen Bloch is an associate professor of Mathmatics and computer Science. He specializes in Computational complexity, design and analysis of algorithms, logic, computer programming pedagogy
 
Ph.D. Mathematics, Univ. California San Diego (1992)
B.S. Math and Computer Science, Virginia Tech (1986)

http://home.adelphi.edu/sbloch/deficits.html

Some of the highlights  -

The single best predictor of deficits for most of the century has been war.
The first two full fiscal years of the Obama presidency saw unprecedented decreases in deficits: more in two years, after adjusting for inflation, than in Truman's eight years, and twice as much as in Clinton's eight years.  That trend did not continue in the third year, which saw an insignificant decrease in deficits.

 The first seven years of the G.W. Bush presidency increased the deficit by over twice as much as the 32 years from JFK through G.H.W.Bush combined, and somewhat more than the 24 years from Harding through FDR combined (in inflation-adjusted dollars).

If one includes fiscal year 2008-2009 as part of the G.W. Bush administration (consistent with my treatment of all other administrations), that administration oversaw 3.5 times as much increase in Federal budget deficits as Presidents Kennedy through G.H.W.Bush put together.

Republican Presidents seem to rack up the big debts, at least in my lifetime. Democratic Presidents tend to be "troughs" in the above graph, relative to their Republican successors and predecessors.  On the other hand, the only two Presidents in this table to actually run an average surplus (in the Roaring Twenties) were both Republicans, and the Obama administration, in its first three fiscal years, was still running enormous deficits (albeit smaller than in the transitional year

The first three years of B.H. Obama accrued almost as much total debt as the first seven years of G.W. Bush, which was more than eight years of Reagan, and half again as much as twelve years of FDR. If you include 2008-2009, the 8-year G.W. Bush administration accrued almost as much total debt as the 8-year Reagan administration and the 12-year FDR administration combined. The biggest accrued-debt-per-year figures are associated with B.H. Obama, G.W. Bush, G.H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, FDR, Bill Clinton, and Jimmy Carter, in that order.

Again, Truman is an outlier: he took office in the middle of World War II, which immediately followed the Great Depression.  The Federal government was running an enormous annual deficit in his first year, so it would have been remarkable if it hadn't decreased during his term.  FDR presided over most of the Great Depression, initiated many expensive government programs to fight it, and presided over the beginning of World War II.

Likewise, Obama took office in the middle of, by far, the biggest-deficit year in history, dealing with two wars and the most severe recession since the 1930's; it would have been remarkable if the deficit hadn't decreased during his term.  In Obama's case, the deficit decreased dramatically in his first two years, but was almost unchanged in his third.

Want to rack up huge deficits , start a war with Americas credit card.

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Re: U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2013, 04:00:38 AM »
Yeah, it's Bush's fault.  He pulls Harry Reid's strings and Obama's and all the rest of the liberal spenders.  Yeah right.
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Re: U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2013, 05:02:33 AM »
I think you missed the point , The point was wars and their contribution to deficit .
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2013, 05:57:09 AM »
How about the contribution to deficits from entitlements? 


The security and defense of the country is the number one responsibility of the federal government.  That's not to say that I agree with all the wars and expenses entailed, but at least that is the government doing what it is supposed to do.  There is nothing that charters the federal government to spend and spend and spend on all the other wasteful programs and entitlements.
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Re: U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2013, 07:05:34 AM »
When hussein brings all the troops home, any savings WILL NOT go toward the debt.  it will be spent on more entitlements or some greenie-weenie power sources that don't work.
this man does not have the good of the country at heart.
remember, he wanted free rein to raise the debt limit without congressional approval.
he is either the most evil man on earth, or the most stupid.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2013, 09:11:39 AM »
remember, he wanted free rein to raise the debt limit without congressional approval.
he is either the most evil man on earth, or the most stupid.


Where do folks come up with this stuff.
They ONLY folks who have access to purse strings in our Govt is congress. They alone have ultimate taxing and spending authority.  It is Congress that is responsibility to pay the bills of the United States.  Congress already wrote those checks, Congress needs to cover those checks.

Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, generally known as the "origination clause," reads: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Now if your comment was referring to a bunch of miss-guided Dems running around claiming 14 amendment  - "the validity of the public debt of the United States...shall not be questioned.". they are interpreting the clause wrong. What the Constitution and 14th Amendment does explicitly dictate is that the executive branch of the government (which includes the Treasury and the President) is obligatedto carry out all appropriations authorized by the Congress.

Congress already wrote those checks, Congress needs to Authorize the coverage of those checks they themselves wrote.

Some folks need to go stop listening to drive by media talking points reporting (do you think the president has a secret amex credit card he can whip out to pay down deficit??
"if your old flathead doesn't leak you are out of oil"
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Re: U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 10:44:09 AM »
remember, he wanted free rein to raise the debt limit without congressional approval.
he is either the most evil man on earth, or the most stupid.


Where do folks come up with this stuff.
They ONLY folks who have access to purse strings in our Govt is congress. They alone have ultimate taxing and spending authority.  It is Congress that is responsibility to pay the bills of the United States.  Congress already wrote those checks, Congress needs to cover those checks.

Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution, generally known as the "origination clause," reads: "All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills."

Now if your comment was referring to a bunch of miss-guided Dems running around claiming 14 amendment  - "the validity of the public debt of the United States...shall not be questioned.". they are interpreting the clause wrong. What the Constitution and 14th Amendment does explicitly dictate is that the executive branch of the government (which includes the Treasury and the President) is obligatedto carry out all appropriations authorized by the Congress.

Congress already wrote those checks, Congress needs to Authorize the coverage of those checks they themselves wrote.

Some folks need to go stop listening to drive by media talking points reporting (do you think the president has a secret amex credit card he can whip out to pay down deficit??
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/house-dems-urge-obama-to-raise-debt-ceiling-unilaterally-if-republicans-resist/
http://www.gopusa.com/freshink/2013/01/07/pelosi-wants-obama-to-bypass-congress-raise-debt-ceiling/
http://patterico.com/2013/01/07/pelosi-obama-should-set-his-own-debt-limit-with-bonus-rant-at-end/
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/05/morning-bell-obama-wants-power-to-raise-debt-limit-by-himself-anytime/
http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/07/pelosi-urges-obama-to-sidestep-congress-use-14th-amendment-to-raise-debt-ceiling/
http://freedomoutpost.com/2012/12/obama-give-me-debt-ceiling-power-or-i-veto-my-own-tax-proposal/
http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2013/01/05/obama-urges-action-on-debt-ceiling-n1479558
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Re: U.S. Federal Deficits, Presidents, and Congress
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 11:48:38 AM »
Again you missed the point - I thought the large print would have helped.

Congress already spent the monies , Congress needs to cover those checks. (Ill help a little more "already" is the operative word.

"by the constitution The Treasury and the President are now obligated to carry out all the appropriations congress authorized.
If congress didnt want the ceiling lifted they should not have "already" (again already being the operative word) authorized the expenditures. CONGRESS ALONE HOLDS THE PURSE IN THE USA.

I can undderstand why you are confused , I now see news sources where you get your facts.
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"It's better to be hated for who you are , then loved for who your not." - Van Zant