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Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« on: January 27, 2013, 10:41:33 AM »
Today I chronograph ed my standard loads out of my 7 WSM today I have a Brux 26" SS 9" twist bbl. 69grs of Re#19 behind a Hornady 139gr SST produced an average muzzel velocity of 3550 ! I couldn't believe it ? I then shot my 22 auto pistol through the chronograph and it read 1100 fps and that was what it should've been. Then my 45 auto 890 fps so was that ! So thumbs up for Brux bbls !!!!   _________________________
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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 03:39:12 PM »
What is the velocity of the STW?  Don't hear much about them anymore.  I'm guessing 3500-3600.

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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2013, 05:12:03 PM »
I don't believe it either.

Most manuals show a max. of about 3300 fps with 140's in the 7mm WSM.

It does not matter a lot anyway.

How does it shoot and does it stay sighted in?

I have loaded the 140 Berger VLD's in my 7mm WSM.

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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 01:10:36 AM »
another doubter here. Alliant lists 68 grains with a 140 going just over 3100. One grain of powder sure isnt giving you 400 fps and for the most part if i looking at the data i have for the 300wsm aliants velocity readings are a bit optimistic as it is. If your chronograph is a ohler and you have it at least 15 feet away from yur muzzle id believe it. But if your chrono is to close you may be getting readings from your muzzle flash or if its a chrony or some other cheap chronograph id be doubting my readings all the time. Ive had two chronys both went back because they read about 200 fps higher then they should of compared to my buddys ohler. Even after paying to have them fixed they did the same. they were given away and replaced by a pact. Not an ohler but a pretty good unit non the less. Bottom line is my 7stw has all it can do to get to 3500 with a 140 and your just not going to do it in a wsm without leaving parts all over the range.
Ive never been a fan of the short mags. Ive loaded for my buddy enough to know they are good rounds if you use them for what they are. His 300 will out pace an o6 but wont run with my 300 win and surely not with my 300 wby or 300 ultra. I did the other day finally get over my mental block on them and buy one. I found a abolt hunter in the gun shop for a good price in 300 wsm. It is a light little 22 inch gun. Figure it would be a great gun if a guy needed mag power but had to tote it up and down the hills all day. I sure dont expect it to run with my 300 ultra though.
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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 05:34:50 AM »
My Chronograph is a CED M2  and it was 15 '  away . When I shot the 22 and the 45 through it ,it recorded the velocity that they should be ?  I'll have to shoot these loads through some one else's

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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 12:45:19 PM »
another doubter here. Alliant lists 68 grains with a 140 going just over 3100. One grain of powder sure isnt giving you 400 fps and for the most part if i looking at the data i have for the 300wsm aliants velocity readings are a bit optimistic as it is. If your chronograph is a ohler and you have it at least 15 feet away from yur muzzle id believe it. But if your chrono is to close you may be getting readings from your muzzle flash or if its a chrony or some other cheap chronograph id be doubting my readings all the time. Ive had two chronys both went back because they read about 200 fps higher then they should of compared to my buddys ohler. Even after paying to have them fixed they did the same. they were given away and replaced by a pact. Not an ohler but a pretty good unit non the less. Bottom line is my 7stw has all it can do to get to 3500 with a 140 and your just not going to do it in a wsm without leaving parts all over the range.
Ive never been a fan of the short mags. Ive loaded for my buddy enough to know they are good rounds if you use them for what they are. His 300 will out pace an o6 but wont run with my 300 win and surely not with my 300 wby or 300 ultra. I did the other day finally get over my mental block on them and buy one. I found a abolt hunter in the gun shop for a good price in 300 wsm. It is a light little 22 inch gun. Figure it would be a great gun if a guy needed mag power but had to tote it up and down the hills all day. I sure dont expect it to run with my 300 ultra though.

Has to be an Olher? I use a Pact Mk IV and don't believe it's ever let me down. I'm not so impressed with how fast a bullet can be driven anymore. A proper cup and core bullet in any magnum I can think of will do all most people want. I am wondering what your gonna shoot with a 139gr SST at that velocity that bullet preformence is guaranteed? When I shot magnums my favorite was the 7mm Rem Mag. I had the throat let out quite a bit to be able to seat the bullet out farther. My bullet of choice was the 160gr Speer Hot Core. I used 69.0 grs of N-205, two grains over max. No pressure signs and no chronograph's around back then so the bullet could be going as fast or slow As I said. My Speer manual back then had 67grs going something like 2800-2900fps. But the real beauty of the 7 mag that I believe now, is the ability to handle heavy bullet's. That gets pretty much thrown out the window with the new solid TSX type bullet's. If you really are getting that kind of velocity with the 139gr SST bullet, it would be interesting to see what would happen with the bullet hitting at 100yds or less. Might leave a crater and blow through a deer and may just come apart on an elk, wounding it. The advantage to TSX type bullet's is the ability to maintain weight. penetration is a product of weight and velocity. Unfortunately, a cup and core bullet driven fast enough to break up on game will normally shed to much weight to penetrate well.

Recall a number of years ago on here the fuss about the Nosler BT blowing up on animals? Caused by to much velocity for the bullet to handle. To many, not all, would hit the side of an animal and blow a horrible wound with very little penetration. That is a product of a bullet being to light to function at the velocity it was running.

Were it me using that 7mm wsm, I'd leave the 139gr bullat for a lot heavier bullet or if you feel the need for speed, go to a TSX typr bullet that light.

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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2013, 06:10:07 PM »
If I draw a deer or elk tag this year ? I'll load an appropriate bullet  . But now these bullets are for Steel,water filled Rock star cans and any coyote or varmint that would like to aid in bullet testing. I'm amazed as every one else  is at  these velocities. looking forward to shooting these loads through some one else's chronograph .

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Re: Custom barreled 7 WSM leaves other 7 mags in the dust ?
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 01:19:24 AM »
Ill argue a bit on this too. I shot a dozen deer last year with my 7stw using 150 ballistic tips at ranges from a 125 yards to 400 and the only one it tore up was the one at 400 that i miss judged the distance and hit it right in the back bone about the shoulder. Other then that they did no more damage then nos part or barnes x bullets i was shooting in other rifles last year. Heres my take on the premium bullets. There not needed for deer in any gun. Sometimes they can even cause more damage. Some of the most shot up deer ive seen have been shot using partitions. One thing about a premium bullet is that if you hit a deer in the shoulder your going to be about guaranteed your going to not only loose that shoulder but the offside shoulder too. Hit deer behind the shoulder where you should be aiming and it doesnt matter what bullet you use as all your loosing is ribs and i dont bother with them anyway. If that hornady shoots well it surely would make a great long range deer or antelope round out of that gun. 
another doubter here. Alliant lists 68 grains with a 140 going just over 3100. One grain of powder sure isnt giving you 400 fps and for the most part if i looking at the data i have for the 300wsm aliants velocity readings are a bit optimistic as it is. If your chronograph is a ohler and you have it at least 15 feet away from yur muzzle id believe it. But if your chrono is to close you may be getting readings from your muzzle flash or if its a chrony or some other cheap chronograph id be doubting my readings all the time. Ive had two chronys both went back because they read about 200 fps higher then they should of compared to my buddys ohler. Even after paying to have them fixed they did the same. they were given away and replaced by a pact. Not an ohler but a pretty good unit non the less. Bottom line is my 7stw has all it can do to get to 3500 with a 140 and your just not going to do it in a wsm without leaving parts all over the range.
Ive never been a fan of the short mags. Ive loaded for my buddy enough to know they are good rounds if you use them for what they are. His 300 will out pace an o6 but wont run with my 300 win and surely not with my 300 wby or 300 ultra. I did the other day finally get over my mental block on them and buy one. I found a abolt hunter in the gun shop for a good price in 300 wsm. It is a light little 22 inch gun. Figure it would be a great gun if a guy needed mag power but had to tote it up and down the hills all day. I sure dont expect it to run with my 300 ultra though.

Has to be an Olher? I use a Pact Mk IV and don't believe it's ever let me down. I'm not so impressed with how fast a bullet can be driven anymore. A proper cup and core bullet in any magnum I can think of will do all most people want. I am wondering what your gonna shoot with a 139gr SST at that velocity that bullet preformence is guaranteed? When I shot magnums my favorite was the 7mm Rem Mag. I had the throat let out quite a bit to be able to seat the bullet out farther. My bullet of choice was the 160gr Speer Hot Core. I used 69.0 grs of N-205, two grains over max. No pressure signs and no chronograph's around back then so the bullet could be going as fast or slow As I said. My Speer manual back then had 67grs going something like 2800-2900fps. But the real beauty of the 7 mag that I believe now, is the ability to handle heavy bullet's. That gets pretty much thrown out the window with the new solid TSX type bullet's. If you really are getting that kind of velocity with the 139gr SST bullet, it would be interesting to see what would happen with the bullet hitting at 100yds or less. Might leave a crater and blow through a deer and may just come apart on an elk, wounding it. The advantage to TSX type bullet's is the ability to maintain weight. penetration is a product of weight and velocity. Unfortunately, a cup and core bullet driven fast enough to break up on game will normally shed to much weight to penetrate well.

Recall a number of years ago on here the fuss about the Nosler BT blowing up on animals? Caused by to much velocity for the bullet to handle. To many, not all, would hit the side of an animal and blow a horrible wound with very little penetration. That is a product of a bullet being to light to function at the velocity it was running.

Were it me using that 7mm wsm, I'd leave the 139gr bullat for a lot heavier bullet or if you feel the need for speed, go to a TSX typr bullet that light.
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