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Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« on: December 10, 2012, 01:39:23 PM »
US sending 20 more F-16s to Egypt, despite turmoil in Cairo  By Maxim Lott
Published December 10, 2012
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  •    Turmoil in Egypt isn't stopping a shipment of 20 F-16 fighter jets, including this one - already emblazoned with Egypt's flag.
  Instability in Egypt, where a newly-elected Islamic government teeters over an angry population, isn't enough to stop the U.S. from sending more than 20 F-16 fighter jets, as part of a $1 billion foreign aid package.
 
The first four jets are to be delivered to Egypt beginning Jan. 22, a source at the naval air base in Fort Worth, where the planes have been undergoing testing, told FoxNews.com. The North African nation already has a fleet of more than 200 of the planes and the latest shipment merely fulfills an order placed two years ago. But given the uncertainty in Cairo, some critics wonder if it is wise to be sending more top gun planes.
 
“Should an overreaction [by Egypt] spiral into a broader conflict between Egypt and Israel, such a scenario would put U.S. officials in an embarrassing position of having supplied massive amounts of military hardware … to both belligerents,” said Malou Innocent, a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute. “Given Washington's fiscal woes, American taxpayers should no longer be Egypt’s major arms supplier.”

 
“Given Washington's fiscal woes, American taxpayers should no longer be Egypt’s major arms supplier.”
- Malou Innocent, the Cato Institute
The U.S. government ordered and paid for the fighter jets for Egypt's military as part of foreign aid for Egypt back in 2010, when Hosni Mubarak ruled. The fighter jets were supposed to be delivered in 2013, and delivery will go ahead as scheduled even though Hosni Mubarak has been removed from power and replaced by Mohamed Morsi, who led the Muslim Brotherhood before becoming Egypt's president.
 
Morsi was democratically elected, but last month attempted to seize dictatorial powers for himself. After widespread protests and violence in Egypt's capital of Cairo, Morsi backed off from his power grab. But he is pushing through a controversial new constitution for Egypt that would more strictly enforce Islamic Shariah law, and only recently said he reserves the right to have the military arrest protesters without charges.
"The Morsi-led Muslim Brotherhood government has not proven to be a partner for democracy as they had promised, given the recent attempted power grab," a senior Republican congressional aide told FoxNews.com.
 
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, (R-Fla.), who chairs the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, recently criticized U.S. military aid to Egypt:
“The Obama administration wants to simply throw money at an Egyptian government that the president cannot even clearly state is an ally of the United States,” Rep. Ros-Lehtinen said.
The $213
 million order, which is paid for by U.S. taxpayers and is part of Egypt's foreign aid package from America, had to be approved by lawmakers in Washington.While the basic F-16 has been a military workhorse for top air forces for more than 25 years, the cockpit electronics are constantly updated and the models Egypt is getting are the best defense contractor Lockheed Martin makes.
 
"Egypt," said John Larson, vice president, Lockheed Martin F-16 programs. "We remain committed to providing our customer with a proven, advanced 4th Generation multirole fighter."
"In an air combat role, the F-16's maneuverability and combat radius exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft," the U.S. Air Force description of the plane reads.

"The F-16 can fly more than 500 miles, deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions."
A Pentagon spokesman said the U.S. and Egypt have an important alliance that is furthered by the transfer.
 
"The U.S.-Egypt defense relationship has served as the cornerstone of our broader strategic partnership for over thirty years," said Lt. Col. Wesley Miller. "The delivery of the first set of F-16s in January 2013 reflects the U.S. commitment to supporting the Egyptian military's modernization efforts.  Egyptian acquisition of F-16s will increase our militaries' interoperability, and enhance Egypt's capacity to contribute to regional mission sets."
Last month, State Department official Andrew J. Shapiro explained why the administration plans to continue military aid to Egypt:
 
“I know that the uncertainty over the Egyptian transition has prompted some in Congress to propose conditioning our security assistance to Egypt. The administration believes that putting conditions on our assistance to Egypt is the wrong approach, and Secretary Clinton has made this point strongly. Egypt is a pivotal country in the Middle East and a long-time partner of the United States. We have continued to rely on Egypt to support and advance U.S. interests in the region, including peace with Israel, confronting Iranian ambitions, interdicting smugglers, and supporting Iraq,” he said.
The writer of this piece can be reached at maxim.lott@foxnews.com

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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 01:52:23 PM »
I have a lot of reservations about this that I will not say. But one that I will is the people of Egypt
need these for their own self protection, her present government however does not !
That's like giving a deranged child a loaded 357 magnum revolver to play with, nothing good will
come out of it.

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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 02:04:21 PM »
what ever happens to either side, they deserve it.  the middle east is almost as messed up as Detroit.
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 02:18:55 PM »
IMO...we should stop giving MILITARY aid to all the enemies of Israel and us...period...we could continue humanitarian aid, but, why provide the guns, bullets, and missiles, etc they may, or have, turned on us or Israel?


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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 02:31:31 PM »
IMO...we should stop giving MILITARY aid to all the enemies of Israel and us...period...we could continue humanitarian aid, but, why provide the guns, bullets, and missiles, etc they may, or have, turned on us or Israel?


classic example: Vietnam...

 
Agreed Sir, but frankly I'm fed up with feeding scum that hate us too. Bushel of wheat, bbl of oil, bushel of corn, bbl of oil. Hussein is still arming his muslim brotherhood. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2012, 02:19:41 AM »
 I can't see sending that country any more than a few piper cubs..
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 09:38:05 AM »
I can't see sending that country any more than a few piper cubs..

 
YEP, with one wing. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 09:43:27 AM »
I would think those planes won't have the ablities of the ones the US has or even Israel has .  More show than anything else
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Some lawmakers angered at husseins gift to morsi and the brotherhood.
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 03:27:40 PM »
Lawmakers question gift of 20 F-16s to Morsi's Egypt  By Maxim Lott
Published December 11, 2012
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  •    Turmoil in Egypt isn't stopping a shipment of 20 F-16 fighter jets, including this one - already emblazoned with Egypt's flag. (Courtesy: Carl Richards)
  Key lawmakers expressing concerns about the Obama administration's plan to send 20 F-16 fighter jets to Egypt, where new President Mohamed Morsi's allegiances are as uncertain as his grip on power.
 
Under a foreign aid deal signed in 2010, when Morsi's U.S.-friendly predecessor Hosni Mubarak was in charge, the U.S. is giving the planes to Egypt's air force, which already has more than 200 of the aircraft. The first four jets are to be delivered beginning Jan. 22, a source at the naval air base in Fort Worth, where the planes have been undergoing testing, told FoxNews.com. But the $213 million gift is raising questions on Capitol Hill as Morsi is under fire for trying to seize dictatorial powers and allegedly siccing thugs and rapists on protesters.
Florida Rep.Vern Buchanan, who recently called for ending foreign aid to Egypt altogether, said the Muslim Brotherhood-backed Morsi government has been sending increasingly troubling signals to Washington, and giving it state-of-the-art fighter jets is a dangerous idea.
 
“American tax dollars must not be used to aid and abet any dictatorial regime that stands with terrorists,” Buchanan said.
Rep. Mac Thornberry, (R-Texas), vice chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, told FoxNews.com Egypt is a wild card under Morsi.
“At this point, we don't know where Egypt is headed," Thornberry said. "We should be cautious about driving them away, but we should also be cautious about the arms we provide.”
 
Just last week, vigilante supporters of Morsi captured dozens of protesters, detaining and beating them before handing them over to police, according to human rights advocates. Morsi-backed groups have also been accused of using rape to intimidate female protesters who have gathered in Cairo's Tahrir Square to protest a Sharia-based constitution and Morsi's neutering of the nation's legal system.

 
“At this point, we don't know where Egypt is headed."
- Rep. Mac Thornberry, (R-Texas)
The U.S. government ordered and paid for the fighter jets for Egypt's military back in 2010. But since Mubarak's ouster, the democratically elected Morsi has sent mixed signals about whether he wants an alliance with Washington, even meeting with leaders in Iran earlier this year.
 
"The Morsi-led Muslim Brotherhood government has not proven to be a partner for democracy as they had promised, given the recent attempted power grab," a senior Republican congressional aide told FoxNews.com.
Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, (R-Fla.), who chairs the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, recently criticized U.S. military aid to Egypt:
“The Obama administration wants to simply throw money at an Egyptian government that the president cannot even clearly state is an ally of the United States,” Rep. Ros-Lehtinen said.
 
The package had to be approved by lawmakers in Washington. While the basic F-16 has been a military workhorse for top air forces for more than 25 years, the cockpit electronics are constantly updated and the models Egypt is getting are the best defense contractor Lockheed Martin makes.
"Egypt," said John Larson, vice president, Lockheed Martin F-16 programs. "We remain committed to providing our customer with a proven, advanced 4th Generation multirole fighter."
"In an air combat role, the F-16's maneuverability and combat radius exceed that of all potential threat fighter aircraft," the U.S. Air Force description of the plane reads.

"The F-16 can fly more than 500 miles, deliver its weapons with superior accuracy, defend itself against enemy aircraft, and return to its starting point. An all-weather capability allows it to accurately deliver ordnance during non-visual bombing conditions."
A Pentagon spokesman said the U.S. and Egypt have an important alliance that is furthered by the transfer.
 
"The U.S.-Egypt defense relationship has served as the cornerstone of our broader strategic partnership for over thirty years," said Lt. Col. Wesley Miller. "The delivery of the first set of F-16s in January 2013 reflects the U.S. commitment to supporting the Egyptian military's modernization efforts.  Egyptian acquisition of F-16s will increase our militaries' interoperability, and enhance Egypt's capacity to contribute to regional mission sets."
But Malou Innocent, a foreign policy analyst at the Cato Institute, warned that Egypt's murky intentions could lead to the prospect of U.S. ally Israel facing an air assault from even more U.S.-made planes.
 
“Should an overreaction [by Egypt] spiral into a broader conflict between Egypt and Israel, such a scenario would put U.S. officials in an embarrassing position of having supplied massive amounts of military hardware … to both belligerents,” Innocent said. “Given Washington's fiscal woes, American taxpayers should no longer be Egypt’s major arms supplier.”
The writer of this piece can be reached at maxim.lott@foxnews.com

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/11/lawmakers-question-gift-20-f-16s-to-morsi-egypt/#ixzz2EnhDSmE0
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 03:28:49 AM »
Got to keep our military industrial complex pumped up by selling to whomever will buy or have bought for.
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 04:43:15 AM »
No reason to arm our enemies. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Hussein sending 20 MORE f-16s to Egypt.
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2012, 09:43:32 AM »
IMO...we should stop giving MILITARY aid to all the enemies of Israel and us...period...we could continue humanitarian aid, but, why provide the guns, bullets, and missiles, etc they may, or have, turned on us or Israel?


classic example: Vietnam...


I feel the same but would include not giving military aid to Israel as well. If we didn't give billions away annually to their enemies they would not need aid to keep up with them. 


Six months or so ago I saw a dozen or so Russian style helicopters in a parking lot off base at an aerospace complex. They had shiny gray paint jobs and arabic writing on them. I pulled over to look at them and the fellow in the guard shack came over and started talking to me. They were Iraqi helicopters that the govt was paying a private company to totally disassemble, refurbish better than new and reassemble. No telling how many helicopters they have that are coming over here for that service. The reason I was over there was to be present for a 500 person layoff across the street. That makes total sense doesn't it. Put billions into a foreign countries military to get them back on their feet. And send folks home because of budget cuts. They were aerospace and missile defense so I guess there's no need for protection anymore. They probably needed more IRS agents instead.
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