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Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« on: October 04, 2012, 01:22:19 PM »
I looking to try some new bullets in my 120.For the last few years I have used 300 and 350 Barnes TSX. These bullets are outstanding at the range alittle over 2" - 3 shot group at 50 yards with open sights off hand.Theres no rifle I enjoy shooting more than my 120.I have tried Hunters 525's some will let the 120 shut some won't I need to use 4-D's Throat Reamer to use longer bullets.I was thinking of buying some Cast Performance 460's to play with.
What kind of cast bullets are you guys using in your 120's
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 01:59:04 PM »
I've shot the 525gr Beartooth Pile Drivers, they load fine without throating, target was shot from 200yds with Williams FP-TK sight, 4 shots, a sight adjustment after the first high round.

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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 02:07:31 PM »
Some of the 525's I think were alittle to wide and made case to wide to go all the way in .I think I had like 8 or so that wouldn't work.
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 02:18:45 PM »
It just depends on the nose profile.  ;)

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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 02:27:57 PM »
Whats the longest nose bullet that you use Tim.The longest one I've tried is the 500 Hornady it just a tad to long.
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 02:33:22 PM »
After discussin it with Tim I throated mine and it should except any bullet cast!   ;D   But I don't think I've shot any cast in it...  :-\   I do have some 500 gr. RNFP's Ima gonna try when I finish playing with the 50-140 this season.   ;)
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 03:51:11 PM »
why would you throat it , just seat bullet a little deeper , you are never gonna run out of case capacity unless you are using trail boss. i load 80 grains of i3031 with a 300 hp and there is still plenty of case capacity to seat bullet deeper if i have to for heavier bullets. back off on powder a little for the increase in pressure and work it back up.
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2012, 01:53:36 AM »
Well um... I dunno there Jason...  :-\   I'd just throated my 45-70, put together an extension to use with the throater... it just seemed like a good idea at the time.   :(
 
I KNOW!!!  It's Tim's fault!!!  He made me do it!!!   >:(   He knows I'm easily influenced and took advantage of me!  I didn't know I'd ruin my rifle gun!!!   :'(
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2012, 04:51:12 AM »
Quote from: dave hall on October 04, 2012, 02:27:57 PM
Whats the longest nose bullet that you use Tim.The longest one I've tried is the 500 Hornady it just a tad to long.

It's not necessarily the length as it is the diameter of the nose and ogive shape, Crater and others make big bullets that are bore riders, the nose section fits in the lands ahead of the throat. The 525gr BTBs have a small nose made to cycle thru a levergun.

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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2012, 05:52:33 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on October 05, 2012, 04:51:12 AM
It's not necessarily the length as it is the diameter of the nose and ogive shape,...

A fact that was made apparent when I was loading those 450 gr. bullets for the 50-140.  These short nosed little bullets (for a 50 cal!), both the 450 gr. Barnes Originals and those cast from an RCBS 50-450 FP mould, would not let the loaded round fully seat in the chamber if the bullet was loaded even a little long.   :(
 
But unlike the 450 gr. jacketed bullets, in the cast bullet's case it wasn't the ogive but the upper driving band that prevented it from fully seating.
 
Seat them to the crimping groove or the cannelure and they bottom out with a resounding THUNK!   ;D
 
Now that y'all got me thinkin on it, don't some folk say you get better accuracy with cast bullets if they are seated into the rifling...  ???  If so, maybe I could load the bullet long and force the upper driving band into the rifling when I load the rifle.   :-\  What ya think?   ???
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 06:00:49 AM »
Seating long so the bullet is into the lands when chambered works fine with cast bullets in an H&R as long as it's an extractor barrel, doesn't work so well on an ejector barrel if you need to remove a loaded round!  :-X The 600gr load for my 50-140 is loaded into the lands as is the 405gr cast bullet for my Talo 45-70 which I haven't shot yet.  ::)

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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2012, 10:05:30 AM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on October 05, 2012, 06:00:49 AM
which I haven't shot yet.  ::)

Tim

which I haven't shot yet.  ::)
 
I fixed your font for you Tim for the visually challenged on our forum. ;D
 
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2012, 10:49:47 AM »
Tim is that an H&R Golden Buffalo from Talo.
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2012, 11:55:17 AM »
Quote from: dave hall on October 05, 2012, 10:49:47 AM
Tim is that an H&R Golden Buffalo from Talo.

Dave,
 
I think Tim has a 18.75" 45-70 Talo Trapper.  The 32" BC Golden Buffalo is a fine looking gun, wish I could find one my price range.
 
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2012, 12:04:23 PM »
What BB said, it's a Talo Trapper with 18¾" barrel w/sights, pallet wood stock, H&R made em for Talo a couple years ago in SB1 357 Mag, 44 Mag and SB2 45-70.

Thanks for fixing the font BB, you're always so helpful!!  :P

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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2012, 07:46:15 PM »
Quote from: dave hall on October 04, 2012, 01:22:19 PM
I looking to try some new bullets in my 120.For the last few years I have used 300 and 350 Barnes TSX. These bullets are outstanding at the range alittle over 2" - 3 shot group at 50 yards with open sights off hand.Theres no rifle I enjoy shooting more than my 120.I have tried Hunters 525's some will let the 120 shut some won't I need to use 4-D's Throat Reamer to use longer bullets.I was thinking of buying some Cast Performance 460's to play with.
What kind of cast bullets are you guys using in your 120's

dave have a look at this site the Lee(459-500-3R and the Lee(C457-500-F)Flat Nose - Gas Checked(HT) are outstanding bullets and they are bore riders.
Bernie :)
 
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Re: Cast Bullets fot the 45-120
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2012, 08:02:16 AM »
That thing about 'better accuracy' from jamming a bullet into the rifling can only be proven by you, with your loads, in your gun. It is a gross overgeneralization that has caused more than a few headaches, especially in a heavy kicker. The things that will cause you larger groups in one of those are far more than if your bullet is into the lands or off them enough to be user friendly.
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