Another coal co shutting mines, laying off 1200, thanks to husseins war on coal.

[mcwoodduck]

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 But Mcwooduck's reply does and I will consider his specifics...but mostly seem to be based from previous administration's regs...such as sulfur scrubbing which creates a useful byproduct, Gypsum. We have to remember that pollution abatement also creates jobs, too, and falls into the area called 'direct healthcare'.......
 

Unfortunatly the EPA has set up an incentive program that benefits them if they can drive business out of their district.
The only way to increase their budget (am we all know budget increase is the power in the Govt) is to make the air cleaner and that is to go after small and medium business as well as any manufacturing.  Want cleaner air shut down all paint booth, shut down plating, shut down mechanic shops, shut down funtiture makers, ..... Another way is to fine for offenses.  I once read a proposal that a local AQMD wanted to sell 5 Camery cars and replace them with 10 crown vics, the statement was that they could put 3 inspectors in a crown vic instead of the 2 in a camery and the other 5 cars could be used by sr. board members and the fines generated by the extra inspectors would justifiy the additional cars and the expense.
I contend that the AQMD rules for cleaner air have cost more jobs, that are driven off shore or prices the products out of the reach of your everyday project.  As we know raising prices reduces demand and that reduces profits, reducing profits drives people out of a market or people find a way to decrease costs. 
I know of a couple of fines (the board usually settles for 1/3 to 1/2 of the cash a company has on hand) that have resulted in firings in order to pay the fine and make payroll.  The fines are based on the company not the act.  In other words if you are driving sa mercedes and doing 5 MPH over the speed limit you get a $300 fine if you are driving a VW and doing 50 MPH over you get a $100 fine.  Against the 14th and 10th amendment. and mafia rules by the boards where it is all about the $.

[mcwoodduck]

Mr. Duck,,,I love clean air and water, I thrive on it, so does wild life....so should sportsmen then. That the EPA and regulators have a problem operating ethically doesn't surprise me; and no body says that problem shouldn't be fix. That the EPA would kill the golden goose that feeds them is conspiratorial talk. Everybody likes a bigger budget...that's why there's directors and managers to consider such things..
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 The American People are owed clean air and water not crap...they should demand it. If you like crap then move to China and don't come back. Basic clean air and water is directly related to Healthcare costs.....want to reduce runaway HC costs than 'directly' provide for healthcare environmnetally. Same for the food supply. With American Exceptionalism the American People should expect and take no less, and never accept whining, excuses, and carping for an answer.
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If you really like clean air and water you would demand that products are made here.  Instead you are part of the problem!  A true enviromentalist would think globally.  Why would you want a factory in China to crank out 100 tons of pollution whe na factory in the US would produce the same product and only crank out 20 tons of pollution?
Government agencies should have the budget needed, not wanted to do a job.  The problem with you big government tyupes is you think the goverment is benevolent and do not understand that a government not checked by the people ends up with coruption.  Look at history and the bearucrats of the French cort or the Czars just before revolution. 
I do not know what you think but Capitalism is the fairest and most efficient way to allocate resources.
I am sure you think the government owes you a living and a place to live.  They are their to manage the things we need, public safety, infrastructure, and keep freedom for the citizens.  Remember the constitution does not limit the citizen it limits what government can do to the citizens.  The founders understood that petty people would search for power, the morons would have ideas and try to influce the laws to follow thier ideas. 
In your world where does government end?  What is too much to pay in taxes?  Why should the list of government priorities start with government and not the citizens? 

[mcwoodduck]

DD,  re:  Post #30.  Yeah, doesn't make logical sense.
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There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that The American People can not have economical energy and have it clean too, once the naysayers are pushed aside and the American Can Do Spirit shines thru.  That should be the standard...clean, efficient, diversified, de-monopolized, economical energy;;;and don't settle for anything less. Your grandchildren are counting on you.
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When GM was in trouble and the bail out happened Obama sent a team of energetic campaign supports to help desing what would become the Volt.  The team sat down with the engineers and the discussion started and the team started telling the car engineers what to build.  The Car people simply said that the ideas of the Obama team contridicted the laws of physics, to that the team answered that they were in charge and that they can have those laws repealed.  The laws of physics are gravity, force, mass... no wonder why these same people think that increasing taxes will strengthen the economy.
A run away government agency that looks to increase their budget will bend every and any rule to do it.  Clearly I have seen it happen and especally when there is no or little oversight to these agencies.

[powderman]

MCCWOODDUCK. Good posts Sir, agreed. (Deleted childish, personal remark) MOD.

[ironglow]

Sadly; the layoffs won't stop there either:
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/200-coal-fired-generators-slated-for-shutdown/?cat_orig=money

[mcwoodduck]

Mr woodduck...you're kinda going off the deep end rambling on and venting at my expense again regarding all your bugaboos. Let me explain...I don't live in China, I have not one political leverage point with the Chinese and so have little to do with their system of things. Here I have a little say and free speech...and we Americans can act to keep our own enviornmnet clean foremost. I know this is hard for Global Interventionist to understand, but we need to act to clean up and keep clean our own act first--we Americans should demand no less. Then perhaps you Globalist Interventionists will see that China follows suit by our example. For those that embrace polution for $$s, just go to China and stay there.Hope that clears things up and helps with your labeling everybody according to prejudices....
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But by not thinking globally and only acting locally you are only hurting your clean air and water.
The pollution from China gets into the air and the gulf stream  and it is dumped here on the west coast polluting everything west of the rockies not to mention the pacific ocean.  as the pollution is dumped in the form of rain onto the west coast it is then transported to the East coast and the gulf. 
But liberals being liberals they use key words.
"clean Air and Water"
"for the children"
"safety net"
all sound good untill you look at the end results.  The road to hades is paved with good intentions. 
I contend that there are some that are steering the ship knowing it is designed to hurt the sysem to bring about a radical change and eliminate your free will.  And there are others that buy into the sizzle but never understand what they are doing.

[nomosendero]

Mr woodduck...you're kinda going off the deep end rambling on and venting at my expense again regarding all your bugaboos. Let me explain...I don't live in China, I have not one political leverage point with the Chinese and so have little to do with their system of things. Here I have a little say and free speech...and we Americans can act to keep our own enviornmnet clean foremost. I know this is hard for Global Interventionist to understand, but we need to act to clean up and keep clean our own act first--we Americans should demand no less. Then perhaps you Globalist Interventionists will see that China follows suit by our example. For those that embrace polution for $$s, just go to China and stay there.Hope that clears things up and helps with your labeling everybody according to prejudices....
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But by not thinking globally and only acting locally you are only hurting your clean air and water.
The pollution from China gets into the air and the gulf stream  and it is dumped here on the west coast polluting everything west of the rockies not to mention the pacific ocean.  as the pollution is dumped in the form of rain onto the west coast it is then transported to the East coast and the gulf. 
But liberals being liberals they use key words.
"clean Air and Water"
"for the children"
"safety net"
all sound good untill you look at the end results.  The road to hades is paved with good intentions. 
I contend that there are some that are steering the ship knowing it is designed to hurt the sysem to bring about a radical change and eliminate your free will.  And there are others that buy into the sizzle but never understand what they are doing.

Yep, Libs/Progressives are responsible for alot of the World's pollution. Even when companies in the US strive for CLEAN coal or take all needed steps to be careful with Nat. Gas or Oil, it is NEVER good enough, but nary a complaint from these same Libs about China and other nations developing resourses while not making any effort to adhere to those standards & at times no standard at all. The same with Manufacturing Plants. Which of course means the overall pollution increases.
The Lib hypocracy is rampant and easy for all to see.

[nomosendero]

Wyoming coal is anthracite coal which is far cleaner than easter US coal, bituminous.  That is why the approval of Wyoming coal.  Giving the Republican state of Wyoming jobs (3 electoral votes) vs eastern coal in Kentucky, West Virginia, Alabama, which are also Republican and have more eletoral votes and Obama wishes to hurt these states more.  He is all politics and idealism.

Yea, I hunt about 30 miles South of one of those mines. The Antelope are quite healthy!