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Offline stimpylu32

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Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« on: June 07, 2012, 11:12:11 AM »
Finely got to take the new max reamed barrel for a dance and to be real honest , I'm not impressed with the way it shot either the 38 spl or the 357 mag rounds at this point .
 
However I do like the way it shot the 180g Hornady's and the 215g GC cast bullets loaded in the Max case's , @ 50 yards these both shot groups into 3/4" or less , I think with a little load work it could be a real shooter with the max , still not sure it will ever shoot the shorter rounds though .  ???
 
On top of all that my Beta chrono took a dump on me , the back eye is not reading , so its back to the factory for repairs .  >:(
 
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2012, 11:58:57 AM »
your notta lone stimpy... all ours will lite matches, once developed.... with max stuff.
all other chamberins are kinda close but, no brag rights i'll tellya............ :P
 
awhell, to sum yall out there..... whats too expect ?? ya jump'n gap............... ::) 
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2012, 03:19:32 PM »
Why be disappointed that it won't shoot 357's or 38's, it is chambered to shoot maxis and that's what they do very well with the right load.
Never could get a factory 357 maxi contender to shoot worth a hoot, but it would shoot 357 mags great, go figure.
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2012, 03:27:04 PM »
I may have to do some load work on the 38's and the mag rounds , they were loaded for a snubby , but the problem is that I tried 3 different loads in mag , H110 , Bullseye and Unique , with cast and jacketed bullets too and all shot in 12" groups @ 50y .
 
Now if'n I just want to scare something thats fine but for serious shooting , it just woln't cut it !  >:(
 
On a side note , the 240g DEWC's did better than I would have expected with 4.2g of Trail Boss , they were in a 1 1/2" group but way low ( about 4" low ) @ 50y .
 
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2012, 07:58:53 PM »
I am using Hornady hollow base wad cutters in a Remington 38 special case over 3.0 grains of Bullseye with a Remington 1 1/2 small pistol primer (about 900 fps). They shoot well enough for me to shoot chipmunks at 25 yards with the rifle sling braced against my arm. 2.6 grains of Bullseye (about 750 fps) shoot slightly better, but I wanted a little more power for bigger critters like a woodchuck or raccoon. When I seat the bullet, I push them about 1/2 way with my thumb and finish seating them with a die down to just sticking out of the case without a crimp. I have a 5" eye relief 2.5X Tasco scope mounted just ahead of the trigger on mine with a LED flash light mounted on top. The flash light is for varmints that are too shy to come out during the day.

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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 12:48:52 AM »
Stimpy, you could always make it a .356 Win!  :)  44 Man
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 12:55:04 AM »
My max shot 1" 10 shot groups at 50 yards with .38 Specials.  The were cast full wadcutters over bullseye.
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2012, 01:21:03 AM »
I haven't experimented much with loads, but mine isn't as accurate with mag loads since reaming to maxi. However, it shoots the maxi rounds quite well, and that was what I wanted for these Indiana deer.
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2012, 04:58:37 AM »
My 357 handi shoots my 38 plinker loads better now that it's a max. Velocity is higher and the 50 yard groups are tighter. As always, your mileage will vary.

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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2012, 06:11:22 AM »
we can hit soda cans and 4 inch clay targets at 66 yards with ours shooting 125 plated over bullseye or hp 38. the point of aim is way different with the magunums or the maxi's. really looking to find loads that all shoot to a single point of aim. 38's out to 60 357 out 100 and maxi's out to 150 so i don't have to readjust the scope for the different bullets. that would be way cool. really havn't tried grouping this rifle on paper, it was never intended to impress anyone with tight groups, just supposed to be fun!
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2012, 10:22:11 AM »
Dont have one, but I like the look of that longer Maxi case. Id use them to load up 38Spl, 357Mag equivalent loads and forget about the shorter cases/long jump. Three loads, three different POI, but you might find that one good -0- for the best Maxi loads have a closer effective -0- with the other two without changing settings. 'Course, you know all that, just thought I'd pitch it out there and see where it lands  ;D .
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2012, 01:10:49 PM »
My Maxi shoots 38's and 357's better after the ream.
 
 
 
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2012, 12:15:58 AM »
I have two maxis, both shoot MAGS quite well. My orig maxi would shoot 148g 38 WC target rounds minute of beer can at say 35 yards, not much better. Good enough for the "kids" to get some trigger time and stay interested.
My second maxi was a re-chamber from a MAG (I did not do it) and I do not remember what it did with 38's... But with its heavier barre, is much heavier and the kids prefer the slim tapered barrel of the origional.

Yes defineately different point of impact!

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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2012, 04:01:14 AM »
i reamed  mine recently
also talked my sons into doing it too


sure hope i didn't stear them wrong
tho we shoot  38s the most.....wanted the option of the max



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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2012, 04:04:18 AM »
This does underscore the issue of just what 'acceptable' accuracy is; what is OK for one may not be for another, all rather subjective without having established some criteria other than an individual's past experience.
E.g., I once had a Colt's revolver that was acceptable to me, I could walk cans pretty decent, but when I started shooting with some NRA Bullseye shooters and learned (more than) a few things, it was no longer acceptable even at its best. Not that walkin' cans aint fun, I just came to demand more, and a more inherently accurate gun is just as good at walkin' cans. Same with my 22 Martini MkIII International with a 20X, it'll shoot flies IF I do my part  ;D . But that info isnt very meaningful to you if I dont say if it is at 10 or 100yds.
Now, please dont take me wrong, if whatever your piece is doing is good enough for you, I am very happy for you. Only you can determine what is practical accuracy for you.
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2012, 09:34:55 AM »
My Max shoots max loads with jacketed well. 1.5 moa or better.

With 38 special and hard cast  12 moa!

With 38 long colt, soft cast 2 moa.

So it seems the load is important, not the distance to the rifling.
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #16 on: June 12, 2012, 10:00:34 AM »
Sounds to me like there might be a bore diamiter issus similar to some of the .44 mags.  With a 'major' load, the bullet will 'bump' up from the pressure and fill the rifling and produce excellent accuracy.  However a 'low pressure' round can not do that and produces so-so accuracy.  I'd be really curious to see what some of these barrels measure when sluged out.  OR it can just be the hardness of the bullet alloy doing the same thing.  If the lead is cast hard, it takes more pressure to set it into the rifling to produce good accuracy.  A softer lead will likely produce better accuracy at lower pressure (ie lower velocitys).  Just something that happens with our pistol shooting and cast bullets.  44 Man
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #17 on: June 12, 2012, 10:16:51 AM »
Shot some 357 from my carbine 357 Max but need some brass to wring it out for deer season.  Now that Indiana increase case length to 1.8 looking into other options
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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #18 on: June 12, 2012, 11:18:28 AM »
I think it should only be accurate with 357 max, there a lot of bullet jump with the shorter cases

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Re: Range Report 357 Max = not impressed
« Reply #19 on: June 12, 2012, 11:39:02 AM »
Well got some new 38 spl rounds loaded to try , these have a bit more punch than the others and are loaded with HB full wadcutters , I'm hoping that the HB helps seal better in the bore thus giving a better grip = better groups  ;)
 
I also went with a much softer alloy for these , their a 40 to 1 mix , not my normal 15 to 1 , we shall see how it does .  ???
 
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