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375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« on: January 14, 2012, 12:54:53 PM »
 I just found a Remington Classic in 375 H&H at a local shop in amazing shape…hasn’t had many rounds fired from the way it looks.  It’s currently on layaway and will be paid off at the end of the month.  Really looking forward to getting everything needed to load this bad boy up and have some fun…just looked at some dies and brass and paged though the various reloading manuals.
 
It currently has an older Leupold straight 3x scope on it but I want to change it out and was looking for suggestions.  Thinking about a Leupold VX-3 1.75-6x or 1-4x…just curious what people think about those.  I have a VX-II 3-9x without a home but it might be too much and don’t want have to switch it out once I get it mounted.
 
I’m not seeing myself on a plane heading to Africa anytime soon but a moose or elk hunt might be something within reach.
 
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2012, 01:07:01 PM »
I had a VX-II 3-9X40 on mine and I thought it was great.  That said it sounds like it already has the perfect scope on it now.  They are great shooters BTW.
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2012, 01:28:49 PM »
 :) Hey, what type of crosshairs does the 3x have....I have not heard the term string, maybe you meant straight 3x..On my 375 H & H Rem. I put a 3-9 Leu. low prower scopes are often suggested for this caliber, and for some I am sure they worked fine...but I found that when I need a hole to shoot though heavy brush, the 3-9 worked far better....However, I have used pretty powerful scopes for much of my shooting so the higher power was an aid rather than a hinderance....Nice rifle...

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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2012, 01:46:14 PM »
:) Hey, what type of crosshairs does the 3x have....I have not heard the term string, maybe you meant straight 3x..Nice rifle...

Sorry about the typo...it has a straight 3x on it in an older mount.  I actually can't remember what reticle it has...I think it was a normal duplex.  It has a 1-piece bar style mount but only the back ring has a lever...not sure how it exactly works.  Once I get it out of lock-up I'll post some pictures.
 
Love the Remington Classics!  This will be my 4th and hopefully I'll have a few more come my way down the road.
 
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 01:28:26 AM »
I'd try the rifle with the scope it has on it; you may like it.  If you decide to change scopes, I'd recommend a 3-9X scope for the best of both worlds.  The reason to go with lower power scopes on "dangerous game" rifles is for close shots and for shots on animals rapidly moving toward you.  Since it seems unlikely from what you've said that the rifle will be used on dangerous game, I would see no disadvantage in going with a higher power scope.

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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 08:56:38 AM »
+1 on trying the scope that is on it as it may work out fine.  I had a 2.5X on my M70 for some time and got along just fine with it.  However, I picked up a Leupold VX III  in 1.5x5X that I put on the M70.  With 1.5X I can keep both eyes open for "up close and personal" use as it is very fast to use.  At 5X it gives all the magnification needed for precision shooting what I hunt with the three six bits.  I think the Leupold is just the right balance of lew end and high end powder for my use.
 
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 10:33:50 AM »
This is a very flexible round to load for the reloader:
With .270 grain cast bullets 3031 gives 2193 feet per second and groups under 1 inch at 100 yards and 2901 foot pounds of muzzle energy.    This is an excellent load for woods hunting out to 200 yards, and most shots are under 100 yards or less.
With the .235 grain Speer for deer sized game H-380 gives 2803 FPS and groups in the .6 tenth inch range. giving 4098 foot pounds of muzzle energy.   This shoots as flat as the 150 grain in the 30-06 or .308 Winchester.
For full power loads with the 270 grain Hornady H4895 is the choice and groups at .608 inch giving 2621 FPS and 4118 foot pounds of muzzle energy.
Recoil is on par with the .338 Winchester mag I have, and much less than the .458 Winchester mag full power loads.
I use a straight four power scope on both the .375 and .458 mags with a cross hair and post, feel that a fix power is more reliable on a heavy kicker.
 
 
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 01:32:11 PM »
Your intended use of the rifle would best dictate the type of scope.  I have a straight 4x Leupold with a quick detach mount on my .375.  I used mine for protection from Brown Bears in SE Alaska while working in remote areas so it got carried a lot.  I also used it for hunting because most of the areas I hunted had high populations of Brown Bears.  For that purpose 4x was very adequate.  One of the low power variables you mentioned would have worked well also. 

I found 4x allowed me to obtain targets rapidly in heavy cover and at close range, and to reach out several hundred yards as well if needed.

Your choice really boils down to your preference and intended uses.   If you ever intend to take advantage of the .375's long range killing power the 3x9 would offer some advantages.

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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 02:00:36 PM »
 I really think this gun will have to have a low power scope on it...I'm going to keep the set-up it has right now and see if I like it. If I come up with some extra money after I get it up and running I'll probably switch over to the 1.75-6x VX-3. I have a VX-II 3-9 on my 9.3x74R Encore barrel so I guess I'm not opposed to a higher power scope on a closer range gun. I have heard great things about this round out to 300 yards if needed but I'm guessing most of the work is done under 100 yards.
 
Looked over the bullet selections and I'm going to order a good mix of 270 and 300 grain bullets (also the 260 Accubond). I have some 235 grain Speer already here, I had them on-hand to play around with in my Encore 375 Winchester barrel so I'll load some up also. I have most of the powders recommended on-hand but have finally have an excuse to buy a few new ones!
 
I have several points saved up and could draw a black bear tag here in Michigan if I wanted this fall...might apply for another point this year and get a special location next year.
 
Still have a great desire to take this gun elk hunting with my 9.3x74R in reserve.
 
Hope all is well!
 
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 02:28:05 PM »
I have a Rem BDLSS in 375HH and have topped it with a Vari-X II 2x7.  I agree with the above.  Try out what it has on it and if you'd like a bit more power, switch to the 3x9.  Funny, I have 2x7s, 3.5x10s and 4x12s  on most all my guns....and I generally hunt with them on the lowest power at all times!!!
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2012, 07:16:42 AM »
I have a Rem BDLSS in 375HH and have topped it with a Vari-X II 2x7.  and I generally hunt with them on the lowest power at all times!!!

The VX-II 2x7 was/is a scope I considered for this gun also...it is a great scope!  I have 3-9x on most of my guns also but almost all my hunting is done on with it set on 3 or 4 power...I usually only use the higher power for the range work but it's nice to know it's there when needed.  That said when I took 4 shots at a big buck in Missouri in 2007 it was set on 4 as I didn't have time to get it changed...he was crossing a pipeline fast and the distance was about 290 to 310 yards, simply wasn't time.  I did hit him 3 out of the 4 time though!
 
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2012, 08:06:11 AM »
 The Classic is a great hunting rifle in .375! I had one for awhile ( left it in South Africa for a friend there) I had a 2x7 Nikon on it then. At the time, I was using a Mod 700 BDL SS in .375 and I had a Leupold 2.5x8 on it. I shot a big calf elk around 200yds with it, but the Sierra 300 Boatail was a bit soft, did alot of damage. I would use a Barnes TSX lighter bullet if loading for it now. I have since replaced all my 338's/.375's with a Mod 700 Classic in .35 whelen ( reamed out to the Ackley Improved version) and I have a Bushnell 3200 2x7 on it. I have a Leupold 1.5x5 on my 9.3x62, but the leupold 2.5x8 will go on it to try the Barnes 250 TSX in it later on. Nice rifle, that Classic in .375, it truly will do anything you want. Good luck to you.

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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2012, 11:08:10 AM »
Keep in mind that Jack O'Connor did much of his shooting with a fixed 4X that was horrible by todays standards.  We tend to over scope.
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2012, 05:56:42 PM »
I agree use what you got until it proves wrong for you. I put a Leopold III 1x5 on my Remington 700 SPS dangerous game .375 H&H.
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2012, 05:24:20 PM »
As stated by many already what you intend to do should dictate what scope you use.  I have the Ruger version of the 375, I personally topped it with a Leupy 1.5-5, which is enough scope to shoot elk out to 400 yards.  I also like the look of a straight objective on a big bore rifle, which the 1.5-5 has, it just looks classy in my opinion.  As far as bullets go, the Hornady 270 grain is a good all around choice.  You get medium velocities, a good cup and core bullet, and they won't break the bank.  If you expect longer shots, the 260 grain accubond with a stiff load of RL 15 can turn the old H&H into an honest 500 yard hunting rifle, with practice of course.  i think you will also find the .375 very easy to load for, it is not hard at all to find an accurate load with those big bullets.  Good luck and happy hunting.
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2012, 12:26:32 AM »
personaly id keep the 3x on it. Lots of guys hunt those exact scopes down for there classic old safari guns. If i wanted to go newer id pick up either a 1x4 vx2 or a 1.5x5 vx3 depending on how fat the wallet was the day i ordered.
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Re: 375 H&H in a Remington Classic
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2012, 01:40:53 AM »
Keep in mind that Jack O'Connor did much of his shooting with a fixed 4X that was horrible by todays standards.  We tend to over scope.


Not sure what make of scope O'Connor used so having recently acquired one of his books delved into it to find out. For his sheep hunts it seems he used either a Redfield Bear Cub 4x or a Leupold 4x scope. This was to keep weight down more than anything as I read it. Now I have never encountered a Bear Cub scope so cannot comment on their optics but I do own a Leupold M8 Compact 4x scope, not sure of vintage, but the optics are clear enough if a little on the light side of 4x mag that is claimed when compared to a 60's vintage Khales 4L2 scope or the Pecar 4x36 Champion I also have.


Of similar vintage to the O'Connor stories I also own an old Bushnell Scope Chief 3x scope and the optics are fine on that. Whilst true that optical coatings have improved over the last 4 decades or so I am not convinced that they were the handicap some think.


In my little collection of scopes I have a few 4x ones from different makers. Due to the cost of good quality optics I have to buy used and currently the selection is:-


4z36 Pecar Champion .................... an excellent scope in every way!
4x32 Khales 4 L2  light alloy tubed with German Trip Post reticle. Excellent optically but lacks eye relief  :( [size=78%].[/size]
Zeiss Jena ZF4/N  Dedicated scope for the Brno ZKK 601 with Tri Post again excellent
Hensoldt Duraltyn 4x Alloy light and very clear optics only fine cross hair though.
Carl Zeiss 4x32  optically superb good reticle but of rail mount construction.


    Now as the thread is about a cartridge with authoritive recoil then not only strength of construction has to be considered but also of great importance is eye relief. I would not put that Khales of mine on my .458 for instance nor the 9.3x57. Simply not enough eye relief for comfort and safety.


  Now although it feels strange to say this I do think that Swampman has a valid point in that we modern shooters seem to require much more magnification in our scopes than our fore bears. I am not convinced this is a good thing either (higher magnification that is). When I really I started stalking, deer hunting that is, it was with a 6x42 scope as that's what the "experts" recommended. I did use the 4x Leupold a bit but found the objective a bit on the small side as was the one on the Meopta Prepov 3x scope I acquired. Having very limited funds I was lucky to stumble upon a Pecar 3-7x36 scope for a good price and brought it. Then the Zeiis Jena for the ZKK 601 came along the the 6x42 on that rifle found a home on another and the Zeiss was fitted.


   Quality of the optics became much more important for my hunting after an incident in poor weather where it was impossible to tell which way the Roe Doe was facing. The budget Japanese scope fitted that day to my .270 BSA was removed and replaced as soon as possible after that. The 270 ripped it apart after 60 rounds anyway under recoil  ::) .


   Now except for the slightly smaller objective for best possible light transmission for the use that the OP wants I cannot see how something like the Leupold 2.5-8 vari X111 or what ever the new version is called of this would be a bad choice. It has eye relief enough and optically it's quite good with a range of magnification that would suit most needs. The big European scope makers do scopes especially for such heavy rifles that are meant of dangerous game these tend to be 1-4 magnification but a few also offer scopes in the 1.5-6x42 range I believe. Carl Zeiss do at least but boy do they charge for their products. Meopta offer one too at a more reasonable cost but still expensive.