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Offline M1DM84

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Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« on: May 07, 2012, 03:14:37 AM »
 Hi all
 I have read the stickys and everything I can find. I can get confussed sometimes too.
 I think I know my NH reciever should only be fitted with the .270 it was born with.
 I want a 45/70 and a 45/410 is this idea safe or scrap it?
 Also would be interested in others...what would I not use for sure....500 S&W?
 TIA Eugene
 Sorry if this is a worn out question

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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2012, 03:36:24 AM »
The factory won't fit barrels to your frame because they didn't make the frame.  It's a liability thing.  You can buy a barrel privately and fit it yourself.

The .270 is very high pressure.  If your barrel was factory installed on your frame it will be a SB2 frame and can handle any Handi or shotgun barrel except the 10 ga.  There are two ways to make sure.  If there's a number on the barrel lug that matches the last three numbers of the serial number it will be a SB2.  If there is no number on the lug, pull the stock and see if the frame is solid or skeletonized around the bolt hole.  Solid is SB1, skeletonized is SB2.  This is all in the FAQs with pictures. If the frame was SB1 and you fired the .270 on it, you'd be wearing pieces of it.  I have to believe it is SB2, but I'd be safe and check it.



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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2012, 02:20:39 PM »
"Additional barrels may be added to firearms of our manufacture since 1987 only, with a serial number that begins with N, H or C. We do not install additional barrels on any other manufacturer’s firearms."
 
That is from the H&R website under the barrel accesory program.  I plan on sending my frame in as soon as I get the funds to get a new barrel fitted.  As long as it's a SB2 frame they will fit anything except a 10 gauge barrel as far as I know.
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2012, 11:38:26 PM »
"Additional barrels may be added to firearms of our manufacture since 1987 only, with a serial number that begins with N, H or C. We do not install additional barrels on any other manufacturer’s firearms."
 
..................... As long as it's a SB2 frame they will fit anything except a 10 gauge barrel as far as I know.



Wrong...........NYRebel113, you'd better check your serial number for year of manufacture before you waste your money sending in a frame to which H&R won't fit the barrel you want.  If in doubt, call them.  The first thing they'll ask you is the serial number of your frame.

This is from the FAQs:

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A= 1986  H&R will only fit the original chambering(replacement for defective rifle), 357Mag, 44mag, and shotgun barrels to these frames
B= 1987
C= 1988
D= 1989
E= 1990
F= 1991
G= 1992
H= 1993
I= 1994
J= 1995
k= 1996
L=1997                   
M=1998
N=1999
                 
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2012, 02:21:12 AM »
 Thanks for the answer petemi
 My frame is an SB2 (I checked) no serial on lug tho...I bought this brand new 270/12 with the carry case. It is in nickle or I call it nickle is it stainless? There is some rust creeping thru what looks like a finish.
 I knew by serial NH (1993) that the factory would only do a 270 and since it was a high pressure I might beable to use more calibers (home fitted). Main thing is I don't want to get hurt or when my grandson takes it he won't get hurt.
   THANKS

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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2012, 02:43:08 AM »
No, it's not stainless.  It's a nickle finish.  The below link will show you the comparable working pressures of most calibers you'd be interested in.  As you can see, the .270 is very high at 65000 psi.  The .500 S&W, not shown, is 60,000.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/saami_pressures.htm

Good luck,

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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2012, 05:03:40 AM »
Hi all
 I have read the stickys and everything I can find. I can get confussed sometimes too.
 I think I know my NH reciever should only be fitted with the .270 it was born with.
 I want a 45/70 and a 45/410 is this idea safe or scrap it?
 Also would be interested in others...what would I not use for sure....500 S&W?
 TIA Eugene
 Sorry if this is a worn out question
Thanks for the answer petemi
 My frame is an SB2 (I checked) no serial on lug tho...I bought this brand new 270/12 with the carry case. It is in nickle or I call it nickle is it stainless? There is some rust creeping thru what looks like a finish.
 I knew by serial NH (1993) that the factory would only do a 270 and since it was a high pressure I might beable to use more calibers (home fitted). Main thing is I don't want to get hurt or when my grandson takes it he won't get hurt.
   THANKS
It's a great idea and is safe.  Since your receiver is a SB2, by all means get a 45-70 and a 45/410 barrel for your Handi.  The 45-70 is a great caliber, and barrels of that caliber are one of the best, and most accurate made by H&R.  You don't have to worry about getting anyone hurt, the receiver will handle those calibers/gauges easily.

Like petemi, pointed out. your receiver will handle the 500 S&W, I personally don't like beating myself up when I shoot, so that caliber isn't something I would personally get.  I wouldn't recommend it for your grandson, especially if he's just starting to shoot.  You just have to remember that you may have to fit the barrels yourself, if your lucky, or like me have more than one receiver, you just swap the barrel around until you find a receiver that locks up without modification.

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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2012, 01:35:20 PM »
Wrong...........NYRebel113, you'd better check your serial number for year of manufacture before you waste your money sending in a frame to which H&R won't fit the barrel you want.  If in doubt, call them.  The first thing they'll ask you is the serial number of your frame.

This is from the FAQs:

Pete

A= 1986  H&R will only fit the original chambering(replacement for defective rifle), 357Mag, 44mag, and shotgun barrels to these frames
B= 1987
C= 1988
D= 1989
E= 1990
F= 1991
G= 1992
H= 1993
I= 1994
J= 1995
k= 1996
L=1997                   
M=1998
N=1999
                 

I apologize, I was wrong.  I made up a "cheat chart" with the serial number date codes on it and forgot to put that information it.  I will have to reprint it and put it in red like in the FAQs.  As for my frame, it is a CBA frame so I am good.  I do plan on calling to make sure everything is good first.
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2012, 01:47:55 PM »
just get  a complete gun
much simpler


what if you break a fireing pin or spring
3 usless barrels
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2012, 02:36:36 PM »
Or you could just replace firing pin,very simple to do.  ;D ;D ;D ;D  Later Tom
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 04:13:58 AM »
how many spares do you have??


i have several....all mounted in a frame
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 05:22:30 AM »
I try to keep three spares at all times.  I think in a bit I'll have four or five.  It sure makes life easy.  Finally, none of my 17 CF Handies are tweaked in any way.  Neither are any of the shotguns and rimfires.

Pete
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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 06:01:57 AM »
Hi all
 I have read the stickys and everything I can find. I can get confussed sometimes too.
 I think I know my NH reciever should only be fitted with the .270 it was born with.
 I want a 45/70 and a 45/410 is this idea safe or scrap it?
 Also would be interested in others...what would I not use for sure....500 S&W?
 TIA Eugene
 Sorry if this is a worn out question


are you actually trying to get out of  owning more than one handi??


Or you could just replace firing pin,very simple to do.  ;D ;D ;D ;D  Later Tom


i have  more than just a spare part
a complete reciever   is a complete set of spare parts


what do you do with  the extra barrels should the frame get lost or stolen
every one nedds 5 handis  minimum!!!!!!!
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

many statements made here are fiction and are for entertainment purposes only and are in no way to be construed as a description of actual events.
no one is encouraged to do anything dangerous or break any laws.

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Re: Is this a good idea or what barrels can I use
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2012, 05:06:10 PM »

are you actually trying to get out of  owning more than one handi??

what do you do with  the extra barrels should the frame get lost or stolen
every one nedds 5 handis  minimum!!!!!!!
I was wondering when someone would get around to that. ;D I figured M1DM84 would get around to finding out for himself, that you just can't own one. 
M1DM84, just give up now, and go buy another complete rifle. The longer you wait, the more Handis you'll end up owning. ;D ;D ;D
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My quandary, I personally, don't think I have enough Handi's but, I know I have more Handi's than I really need or should have.