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Offline csi-tech

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O/U shotgun choices
« on: March 23, 2012, 05:52:28 PM »
I've narrowed my selection down to a few candidates. I cannot afford a Browning Citori or anything more expensive. I have $550.00 and that's it. I like the CZ Mallard, The Stoeger STg3000, The Stoeger Condor and The Stevens 512 Gold Wing. I didn't like the way the Russian Baikal guns felt so I've pretty much eliminated them. Any recommendations from the above? I would also like to buy a Mossberg Silver reserve if I can find a new one. Evidently they stopped production on the O/U a while back. I'm interested in a 12 gauge.

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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2012, 07:14:21 PM »
If you have Academy Sports in your area, check out the Yildiz.
I think they may be a better value than the Condor.
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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2012, 07:53:50 PM »
I was looking at the Condor for a while until I read a review from a guy that put 7500 trap loads through one over a 5 year period.  The gun had shot loose and was not repairable and this was supposedly with standard skeet/trap loads in 12 and 20 gauge combined.  I would look at something with a little more durable design than what the Condor has if you plan on shooting it very much.  I would rather spend a bit more and get a gun that will last a life time as opposed to one that will last 10-15 years of hunting before having to be replaced.

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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 03:59:04 AM »
Get the CZ made by Huglu. They are nice guns.


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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 05:51:55 AM »
I have owned, used, and borrowed several O/U's over the years. And I have developed some strong opinions about the O/U design. For purchasing an O/U let me make a few observations from my experience. Take it for what it is...But I think that you'll enjoy the O/U once you hit the field with one firmly gripped in your hands.
 
My 1st purchase was a set of Ruger Red Labels (12 gauge/20 gauge pair). Those are still my "Goto" guns when I head out to field or the trap range. These guns now show a lot of wear from all the years afeild. But they are so reliable and balanced perfectly for smooth swinging shots. I added a 3/8's inch spacer to the stock of the 12 gauge to lengthen the pull. This stretches me out a bit while shooting and it feels like I'm holding a custom gun everytime that I shoulder it. The 20 gauge is well balanced and I like the compact feel of the triiger pull when I shoulder the gun, so I didn't add a spacer to the stock. The 12 gauge is by far my most favorite 12 gauge...I grew up on pumps...but the Ruger 12 O/U will always have a solid place in my gun cabinet.
 
I then bought a set of Russian made guns called a Baikal; again in a (12 gauge/20 gauge pair). Remington imported them for a while and called it their Spartan Line of O/U's. This is a definate diamond in the rough. The bead front site is a bit on the small side for my aging eyes, but after a few rounds I don't notice it as much. The action was a little rough out of the box and it took some deft polishing and quite a few rounds at the range to break it in. The gun now is silky smooth in the action and swings nicely with 26" barrels. I have really enjoyed shooting the Baikal; but these days my son uses the 12 gauge Baikal on our annual family Dove Hunts & Pheasant Hunts to Eastern Colorado. He seems to consider it to be "His Gun". So I'll be looking for another of those soon, cause I'm keeping mine.
 
I owned a Browning Citori for a few years, mostly because it was what all the guys at the range used and I got caught up in the moment. I could never shoot the Citori as consistantly as my Ruger or even the Baikal. The ramp is different and it seemed to throw off my shooting. If I mastered the Citori, then I had trouble with my Ruger or the Baikal. Since I could out-shoot most guys with the Baikal, I sold the Citori and replaced it with a used Winchester Pigeon Grade 101. Problem is the 101 is such a beautiful gun and with such perfect balance and point of aim...I'm afraid to take it out to the field. It sits at home...its a wall hanger...DANG. Don't think poorly of me, I know I have issues
 
My neighbor has an old Charles Daley O/U; made back in the days before Daley changed their quality control methods and started putting out garbage. That gun sports 28" barrels  that swing like they are shorter. The balance and point of aim are solid and I've never had to make any adjustments at all to my shooting style while using it. Just a great gun. I've used it many many times afield and it is a very reliable firearm. But be very careful when buying any Daley products...there's some good stuff anf there's a lot of junk out there...both have the Daley name on them. I've had Daley Pumps simply come apart in my hands while using them in the field...Not good.
 
Then I discovered a little gun made by a Turkish company called a Gazelle. Beautiful cut checkering on a well figured European Walnut Stock. There is a bit of a bell at the muzle end of the barrel that thickens the muzzle for the screw-in chokes. I don't care for its looks. I had that gun in both Double Barrel Break-Action and O/U (12 gauge in both)...Both guns have a bit of caste-off built into the stock and it realy makes a difference. That 3/8 inche of caste-off changes the whole shooting world for me; especially in the Side-by-Side. Like a fool I sold the O/U, but I'll never sell the Side-by-Side. A better quail gun I have not carried and for fall teal and wood duck, in a back water slew, great gun. The Side-by-Side has double triggers and no ejectors...its my Cowboy Action gun. I shoot it every chance that I get...
 
The CZ is another gun that I have owned. Mine is a beautiful curly walnut stocked gun called the Woodcock. Simply a wonderfully balanced shooter. I've taken it Pheasant hunting, Dove hunting and harvested my fare share of Geese with it. The cut checkering on the walnut stock is deep and provides a firm grip and even control while wearing heavy gloves. The case-hardened locks are reliable and eye-catching. The gun is just muzzle to butstock quality made.
 
For the money that you mentioned on spending...the CZ is a very relaible gun with a solid quality reputation. This would be my 1st choice sugestion.
 
I don't know if you still get the Gazelle, but it is a very well made import if you can find it. If you come across one, I'm sure that you'll be very pleased with your purchase.
 
Sorry to hear that you don't care for the Baikal, its a real workhorse in my opinion...day in and day out. There are a few definate downsides to the gun. The front site is a bit small and for a first few shots it can feel like a hard strait stick against the shoulder. Also every Baikal that I have ever picked up has needed to be touched up in the action with a honing stone and then needed a run of several hundred rounds through it before the action felt right. But that's only if you appreciate a silky smooth action like I do. Still it is one of the cheapest most reliable O/U's on the market.
 
Here's a quick note that I've found from shooting O/U's. By shooting the bottom barrel 1st I noticed that the recoil torque is lessoned and allows me to get back on target to use the upper barrel quicker for smooth doubles on Doves & Quail; and even taking quick doubles while shooting heavy loads on Geese. Just an observation.... 8)
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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 01:10:37 PM »
If I had the cash I'd pick up the CZ Wingshooter, that is a gorgeous gun. I'm going to re evaluate the Baikal and add the Yildiz (really pretty gun!) to the list. I realized that there is no shortage of economically priced 12 gauge o/u guns out there. The CZ Mallard looks well built and gets great reviews but I'm leaning towards a single/set trigger and ejectors rather than extractors.

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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 02:26:15 PM »
Another vote for the CZ line when it comes to affordable, new O/U's.  A hunting buddy of mine has one, and it is very nice.  If you don't mind buying used, I would take a good look at the SKB line of O/U's as imported by Ithica from the 60's thru the 80's I believe.  I have one, and they are very well made and finished.  Available in your price range in nice shape.  SKB is a Japanese company that has been around longer then most gun companies, and has a very good reputation for quality.
 
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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 06:06:54 AM »
I looked into the Yildiz. Great looking gun, nickel receiver with ejectors and single trigger. Price is incredible at 400.00.

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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 03:50:55 PM »
Had the 12 ga Yildiz. Was great but it got stolen after only a couple of years. Replaced it with the same model in 20 ga. Loved it.
GBO member "skarke" has had the 12 for a few years and was shooting a lot of clays with it.
You might send him a pm and ask how its holding up.
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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2012, 04:09:03 AM »
The Spanish made Lanber guns are of high quality and at a very competitive price.  I have owned and shot serveral of them.  They are some of the most popular guns for sporting clays in the UK.  Choke tubes may be ordered from Trulok.
 
 lanberusa.com/models.htm  www.shootinguk.co.uk/guns/shotguns/142213/lanber_sporter_shotgun...  www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewforum.php?f=112  www.gun-tests.com/issues/.../Affordable-Lanbers...Shotguns5643-1.html  www.sportingclays.net/forums/thread.cfm?threadid=328&messages=3 

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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 11:59:12 PM »
I will second the motion for a SKB.  I have a couple of them one that was imported by Ithica and one roll stamped with SKB's name on it.  Excellent guns both!  SKB also made O/U's for Weatherby.  Dont be afraid of Miruko.  They primarily made guns for Browning for a while, not sure if they still do.  I own about a 1/2 dozen of them and find them to be tighter quality control wise than most Brownings I have handled.  Miruko roll stamped very few of the guns they made with their roll stamp on them as they mainly made guns for other brand lines.

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Re: O/U shotgun choices
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2012, 05:41:10 AM »
I love the SKB...but isn't that particular gun a bit above the price range of this thread. If you know a source of an SKB for $400 to $500...POST IT.
 
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