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« on: October 12, 2011, 05:14:52 AM »
Is Mr Cain setting himself up for Vice President ? Is it a bad idea ?
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Re: Cain
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2011, 05:23:30 AM »
Is Mr Cain setting himself up for Vice President ? Is it a bad idea ?
I don't see anything wrong with it.  I'm not 100% on board with 999, but I really like his stance on the EPA.
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2011, 05:35:33 AM »
Any of the Republican candidates would be fine as a Vice Presidential candidate.  The present VP has set the bar so low that almost any American would be a step up.
 
My druthers would be that Herman Cain might serve better in a cabinet position.  I'm impressed with his ability to communicate and he seems to be a man of action and ideas.  And most of all he is a black guy who is a conservative and that really bugs liberals and that works for me.
 
I have to say though, Cain's 999 tax plan doesn't do anything for me unless there are a lot of details that are yet to come out.  It just opens a whole bunch of new cans of worms and new taxes.  We don't need new taxes; we need huge spending cuts--entire programs and departments.
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Re: Cain
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2011, 06:03:21 AM »
Like he said , he is willing to scrap something that isn't working well and try something new.
 I don't care for corp. taxes since they pass them to the rest of us. Sales tax makes more sense to me. But then they would not have use of our money intrest free for a year.
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Re: Cain
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2011, 07:48:33 AM »
 No I don't think Cain is setting hisself up for vp, I think he's going for the big office, and that's fine by me. Looks like the best one for the job at the moment. I like the 999 plan, that gets everybody to paying taxes instead of over half the country getting a free ride, while the rest of us pay out a rather punitive percent.
 I'ld say if anyone is making a play for the vp job it's Newt.
 
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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2011, 09:08:48 AM »
Don't trust Newt.
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 10:46:29 AM »
A VP isn't in any position to cause major grief unless he finds himself suddenly "elevated".
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Re: Cain
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 11:11:47 AM »
Or is the deciding vote  ;)
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 04:29:51 PM »
Don't trust Newt.

Why not?

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 04:36:39 PM »
I like the 999 plan, that gets everybody to paying taxes instead of over half the country getting a free ride, while the rest of us pay out a rather punitive percent.

Ranch,  my problem with the 999 plan (as I stated in another post) is that effective tax rates will go up for most folks, including most in the middle class - typical family of 4 making $75,000 will pay about $1,500 more per year, while the higher income levels (probably around $200k and higher, depending on circumstances) will see lower rates. 

Don't know about you, but I can't afford that kind of increase...

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Re: Cain
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 05:04:15 PM »
 It'll be a cut for me.
 The rate that everybody pays will be the same. The more you make the more the 9% will cost, but it's a dang site less than the 28+ percent being paid now.
It's time everybody paid.
 They need to whack giveaway programs while they are at it.
 If they don't do something and do it quick the 1500 a year that plan might cost you is nothing but a drop in the bucket.
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Re: Cain
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2011, 06:28:25 PM »
He's done nothing to make me not like him.

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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2011, 09:51:16 PM »
He was asked and he made the statement, He would serve as VP under any of the other candidates, except Perry.  He is giving them all a run for their money so to speak.  I think he is fully going for the big office.  If he does not get that he would accept VP, then he would have a head start to be elected to the Big Office. 

My current view:

President:  Romney
VP:  Cain
Sec Of State: Newt
Dept Of Interior: Bachman
Dept Of Energy: Palin
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Re: Cain
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2011, 02:25:48 AM »
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Re: Cain
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2011, 05:24:34 AM »
I think Cain has a decent idea with 999.   Yes, taxes will go up for some -- namely, the 50% of Americans who pay no taxes and are milking the system.  It also makes the welfare parasites pay some taxes (god forbid they should ever have to pay taxes).

The 9% corporate tax rate and 9% personal income tax is a good idea for attracting companies back to America and encouraging development of capital.     For non-economic folks, development of capital is a good thing -- businesses expand, people get hired and more people consume goods and services.

This expands the tax base so that 100% of the population is the tax base rather than 50% of the population paying 100% of the tax burden.

Notice the table below of tax burden distribution as of 2008 (most recent data I can find):
Tax Year 2008 
Percentiles Ranked by AGI[/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t]
AGI Threshold on Percentiles
Percentage of Federal Personal Income Tax Paid
Top 1%
$380,354
38.02
Top 5%
$159,619
58.72
Top 10%
$113,799
69.94
Top 25%
$67,280
86.34
Top 50%
$33,048
97.30
Bottom 50%
<$33,048
2.7


Now who wants to talk about paying their fair share?[/td][/tr][/table]
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Re: Cain
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2011, 07:39:56 AM »
Or is the deciding vote  ;)

Ooops, forgot about that scenario possible in the Senate :-[
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Re: Cain
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2011, 04:48:45 PM »
It'll be a cut for me.

I thought so too at first, then I sat down with last year's tax return and did my figuring - and was surprised.  Are you sure yours would go down?  Remember, no deductions except for charitable contributions from the 1st 9%, and only savings and federal, state and local taxes are exempt from the 2nd 9% (since savings and taxes aren't getting spent, no sales tax).

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The rate that everybody pays will be the same. The more you make the more the 9% will cost, but it's a dang site less than the 28+ percent being paid now.

If you are paying anywhere near 28%, find another accountant.  If you meant you are in the 28% bracket after deductions, then I can see how yours might go down under the 999 plan.  But then, that would mean you make a good bit more than I do - a god bit more than most, as far as that goes. 

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It's time everybody paid.

I don't disagree, but I'm already paying a decent chunk - I'd say I'm paying my fair share. 

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They need to whack giveaway programs while they are at it.

Agreed.  We need to make significant spending cuts - not just reductions in the rate of increase - if we are ever to get this turned around.

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If they don't do something and do it quick the 1500 a year that plan might cost you is nothing but a drop in the bucket.

My point is, a plan that only increases taxes on a lot of people - probably 80% or more of Americans would see higher taxes from what I've been able to figure - without addressing spending is not a plan that will succeed in dealing with the problem.  You think the economy is bad now, wait till 80% of the US population have LESS money to spend on things.

Another problem is that the plan would introduce a second way for the government to tax us - the 9% sales tax - and does not abolish the current method they have.  Remember, the income tax started out as 1% if I recall, and look where it is today.  Do you really think they won't manage to increase this too?  And likely increase BOTH?  This is exactly what happened in many parts of Europe and look at their income tax and VAT taxes.  Talk about oppressive...

Look, I like some of what I see from Cain, but this plan needs a lot of improvement if it is going to work.  I see it as at most half of a plan, and even that half needs adjustment from my perspective.

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Re: Cain
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2011, 04:57:47 PM »
I file short form since I have no interest deduction. I would get a break.
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Re: Cain
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2011, 05:52:05 AM »
Don't trust Newt.

Why not?

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He claims to be a Conservative, but his actions over the years have proven the opposite.

Remember, this is the same guy who presented his wife with divorce papers while she was hospitalized being treated for cancer.

Gingrich backed federal education funding from his earliest days in office, though the Constitution gives absolutely no authority over education to any branch of the federal government.

In 1993, Gingrich proved himself invaluable to Clinton and the Democrats in Congress when he put together enough Republican support to pass the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA),

In 1994, he voted for an extra $1.2 billion for United Nations "peacekeeping" missions. He also urged the President to expand U.S. military presence in Bosnia.


Newt had a very Liberal voting record. He was a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a group founded in 1921 as a think tank of influential politicians and policymakers dedicated to sacrificing national independence to create a global government. He showed his fidelity to internationalism in a speech at the Center for Strategic and International Affairs in July of 1995 when he brazenly admitted his disdain for our founding document.

He has little use for the Constitution, and is a NWO Republican of the highest order

These are just a few of the why not's IMO!

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Re: Cain
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2011, 06:28:17 AM »
999 plans down fall would be the next congress could take it to 10-10-10 or higher.
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Re: Cain
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2011, 06:39:47 AM »
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He claims to be a Conservative, but his actions over the years have proven the opposite.

Remember, this is the same guy who presented his wife with divorce papers while she was hospitalized being treated for cancer.

These are just a few of the why not's IMO!
That divorce thing has prooven to be mostly bs. It was his exwife  that said it first, but Newt said that's not what happened, and later it came out thru the children that it was HER that asked for the divorce and not Newt, and not while she was in the hospital.
 So My suggestion to you NWHunter would be that when you start slingin low life crud around , you at least get the facts somewhat straight...
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2011, 06:41:42 AM »
Shootall if by some stroke of bad bad luck, Pelosi and the crew grab the power again." 10-10-10 would seem like a flashing blue light special in isle 12"
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2011, 02:33:27 PM »
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He claims to be a Conservative, but his actions over the years have proven the opposite.

Remember, this is the same guy who presented his wife with divorce papers while she was hospitalized being treated for cancer.

These are just a few of the why not's IMO!
That divorce thing has prooven to be mostly bs. It was his exwife  that said it first, but Newt said that's not what happened, and later it came out thru the children that it was HER that asked for the divorce and not Newt, and not while she was in the hospital.
 So My suggestion to you NWHunter would be that when you start slingin low life crud around , you at least get the facts somewhat straight...


I didn't know facts were considered LOW LIFE CRUD! You said yourself, that it was mostly BS. So then I guess my statement was SOMEWHAT straight.

By the way! The other issues were the real important reasons not to vote for this NWO threat to America.Newt was put out to pasture long ago, and should have been left there.
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Re: Cain
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2011, 03:53:25 PM »
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