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Offline contendernut

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« on: December 29, 2003, 05:52:33 PM »
I'm looking at getting a action to build a 17 Ack Hornet or 22 K-Hornet.  I am looking at the Ruger action.  Anyone built either on a Ruger action?  I looked at the CZ action but don't like the magazine dropping below the stock.  Browning use to make a Hornet but I'm not sure if they still do or not.  Any suggestions on this before I start?  I'll probably go with the 22 K-Hornet and a 1:14 barrel throated for a 35g VMAX seated to fit the magazine length of the action.

Any problems with the bolt of the hornet?  I've read that the Ruger's bolt cand be seperated and a shim put in.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2003, 10:48:38 PM »
I'm not sure, of course, why you are hooked on building a Hornet, but if I was going to do it I'd get a single-shot rifle by New England Firearms in .22 Hornet and if it didn't shoot as accurately as I wanted I'd re-chamber it to .222 Remington -- the former accuracy champ.    The Handi-Rifle can be scoped and most of them are accurate far beyond their price tag.  

The trigger pull is too heavy on many Handi's but I've solved that problem by bending  (horrors :eek: ) the end of the hammer spring that bears down upon the inside of the Handi's frame about 1/4 to 3/8" from the tip of the spring.    It doesn't take much!!!

Just my two cents on building a low-powered, relatively-quiet rifle that doesn't have to have too much power or velocity.

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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2003, 06:00:06 AM »
I want a bolt gun for this.  I already have both the 22KH and 17AH in Contender barrels.
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« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2003, 09:54:48 AM »
The 22K-Hornet round WILL not feed from the Ruger rotary magazine. I have already looked into this. You will just end up with a single shot.

I am assuming you are talking about the 77/22 action.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2003, 03:12:06 PM »
Charles Daly will be importing new Mauser '98 actions, barreled actions, and rifles after the 1st (same action as the Mark X's of a few years back). I'm thinking of building a couple of rifles using their mini-Mauser actions - 1 barreled action in 22H rechambered to 22K H and 1 action with a .17 caliber barrel (probably Shilen) chambered in 17AH.


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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2004, 01:40:46 PM »
From the latest Charles Daly news letter -

"The 30-day waiting period for implementation of normal trade relations with Serbia has passed and we're awaiting the first of many shipments from Zastava that should reach our wholesale distributors by late January. These first shipments will contain mostly Field Grade Mauser rifles, (synthetic stocks and matt blue finished actions and barrels) and barreled actions with high luster blue actions and barrels. Our first shipment of mini-Mauser, rifles and barreled actions will be in April. Our stand-alone actions will reach us in May. Check with your favorite wholesale-distributor for availability or keep checking back to our website www.CharlesDaly.com for updated information.

Look for Charles Daly to increase its product line from Zastava to include a line of .22 bolt action and semi-auto action rimfire rifles. A new pistol, the Charles Daly ZDA will also come from Zastava. The ZDA is a double action 9mm semi-auto pistol, which features a loaded chamber indicator as well as a low shot indicator. All of these new additions to the Charles Daly line will carry our famous Limited Lifetime Repair policy and will join our line throughout the year in 2004."

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2004, 08:44:34 AM »
Steelhead,

Gee, I guess I will have to make my Ruger 77 VBZ into a single shot! And I've so enjoyed flawless feeding with the rotary mags in my 22K Hornet conversion too!

So cerrtain and so wrong! The joy of the internet.

The 22 Hornet rotary mags work fine. Ask Big Stick. He has about four of these conversions. The 22rfs do not work with K'ed Hornets or regular Hornets either.

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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2004, 04:20:21 PM »
OOPS! I should have said VHZ in my last post!  I make mistakes too.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2004, 02:08:44 AM »
oneb,

 I am glad it worked for you. I had an attempt at in in 98 and it wouldn't work.

 So sure and so wrong.  Sounds like what I told your wife before she married you. :grin:

Anyway, it didn't work for me or Dale Storey.  SO MY SO SURE AND SO WRONG, WASN'T.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2004, 06:58:47 AM »
Steelhead,

I apologize for my original snotty tone. I dumped on you out of misdirected frustration with half- baked allegations on another site. You did not say originally that your point was based on personal experience. I assumed it was more of the second-hand guff I was seeing elsewhere. My mistake.

OK, we have two vastly different experiences. That likely means  the rifles, ammo, or the magazines must be different.  If one works and one doesn't, there must be an explanation and it might be useful to others. So let's compare them.

My rifle, a brand new VHZ, was "K'ed" in 2000 by ITD, a gunsmith in Minerva, Ohio who converts Big Stick's VHZs. He also set back some excess barrel thread to remove the "slop" from the Ruger original. He did not modify the bolt at all. (Unless there was a major variation on how yours was done, I tend to discpount the rifle as the cause but it might be interesting to make molds of the two chambers and compare them.)

My mags are an original that came with the rifle and a Ruger replacement ordered through Midway. They are unmodified. (I don't know of any 'knock-off' rotary mags in circulation so I doubt this is the cause of your problem.)

I'm prone to suspect that the ammo is at fault as I have seen other rifles that reject one type of round --usually with steep ogives-- and smoothly gobble up another type. My reloads are based on 35 gr. Hornady Vmaxes, sized at 1.735 COAL, out of fireformed Remington cases. They load and feed w/o a hitch and are very fast and accurate.

Ater 37 years, my wife knows more about the bad deal she made than you could have known then. (I wasn't into guns then for example, or quite as crotchety.)  

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2004, 06:12:58 AM »
Of the half dozen or so K-Hornets I've seen built on Rugers only 1 wouldn't feed right.  It had a bad magazine.  We eventually tried it with standard Hornet ammo and it wouldn't feed them either.  A call to Ruger and the problem was replaced.  I love the Hornet, but have never owned a K version for any length of time..  Only have three at the moment,,,perhaps a CZ 527FS, K-Hornet??
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2004, 06:49:12 AM »
What are the mini mauser actions?  are they just shorter than normal actions?  It would be nice to be able to build a short action around the .221 fireball case.

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2004, 01:10:52 PM »
Thanks for all the options.  After they start importing those actions, I will look into them.  I did look into a Cooper but it was single shot only.

oneb,
Do you have contact information for the gunsmith in Minerva, Ohio?
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