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Offline Bob/FLA

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« on: December 15, 2003, 03:50:40 PM »
Who uses a lower weight bow during the off season?
I am thinking of a 45# for the offseason to work on form.  Do you enjoy it as much as your hunting weight?
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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2003, 06:01:24 PM »
Bob, IMO 45 pounds is sufficient hunting weight, especially for whitetails. If you find that 45 pounds is more enjoyable to shoot than the heavier weights you have previously shot, then I suspect you will most likely shoot more often, therefore making yourself a much better shot due to the increased practice.

Remember, if you hit a whitetail in the ribcage area where you should, you will have no problem getting a clean passthrough with 45 pounds.

I use to shoot 70 pounds, until I learned how to tune my bow properly with the right spine arrow. With the correct spine arrow, your shot will be much more efficient, easily allowing you clean passthroughs.

I now shoot around 52 pounds, and will never consider going back to pulling over 60 pounds as it is the point of diminishing returns in bow efficiency.

If I were hunting Elk I might consider using a heavier bow, but still not over around 60 pounds. Instead, if I were concerned with penetration, I would choose a heavier arrow in the correct spine. Cedar arrows are the lightest available, but you can get up in the 900 grain range when shooting hardwoods like Hickory. With the heavier arrows penetration is no problem whatsoever with a properly tuned arrow, even on the largest of North American game. Also, there are several different arrow materials that will give you weights between the Cedars and Hickorys. Douglas Fir, Poplar, Birch, and Ash just to name a few.

Carbon and aluminum arrows can be internally weighted as well for increased penetration, but it's usually not necessary for medium sized game.

Remember, most states will legally allow you to hunt with 35-45 pound bows, so they are definitely adequate in getting the job done with proper shot placement. Also keep in mind that most all of the top olympic tournament shooters shoot recurves in the 45 pound range and there is a reason for that. They are much more accurate with them than with heavier bow weights
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2003, 12:51:36 AM »
Thanks for the reply.  
That's where I am...I use the 60# for everything including elk and I really enjoy it as it is the smoothest bow I have ever shot.  It's a Wes Wallace custom I've had for over 10 years.

The weight doesn't really bother me, but this year I have had my share of medical issues and am ready to order a lighter set of limbs (40-45).  Due to "issues", I have not been able to shoot since January 2003 and will not be able to pull my bow until March 2004. ARGH!!!!

As I am in the archery business, I am aware of the issues you mentioned...

Here's the deal...It's like driving a dragster, then moving to a minivan...do you ENJOY shooting the lighter weights?  As I have never been under 55#, this is uncharted territory for me.  

It's not a macho thing...it's a cost thing.  New limbs are $350!
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2003, 03:36:33 AM »
Hey Bob, I'm sorry to hear about your medical problems and I can definitely sympathize since I have some arthritis in my upper back I deal with on a daily basis.

Yes, I definitely enjoy shooting the lighter weights now, especially at the 3-D shoots I attend outside deer season. I've been shooting a really big traditional shoot over in Mississippi every year called the Lofton Classic, and it has 60 targets in one round. It nearly killed me to make it completely through the course shooting 70 pounds, but the low 50's bow made it much more managable as well as enjoyable.

I found 2 things in dropping bow weight. First it does not affect trajectory near as bad as I thought it might. Secondly I am able to shoot more consistently and come to full draw, since with the heavier bow I previously shot caused me to short draw when I started to get tired.

Short drawing caused other problems because it caused my arrows to come out of my bow overspined, causing them to hit to the left of where I was looking. (I'm a right handed shooter)

I guess you could say that the biggest thing I ENJOY now about the lower poundage is hitting the mark more consistently, as well as it's easier on the old back.

Those Wes Wallace bows are really nice customs. I've been wanting one myself, but you know the deal so many bows so little time.  :-)
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2003, 03:48:00 AM »
Thanks Dutch!  That's the kind of response I was looking for.  I never considered 3D shoots...that does wear you down with hunting weights.  I used to participate in friendly shoots in California.  

Now, where did I put Wes' number...... :-D
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2003, 02:04:38 PM »
I have to agree with lighter weight bow being more accurate, there is less strain to hold at full draw longer allowing you wait for that perfect shoot. it is not the speed that kills it is the hemeraging if you balance out equipment like arrow weight, tip weight , and draw weight  you can achieve good penetration on a whitetail buck with 45# I feel choice of which weight to use would be the one you feel comfortable with.
I can shoot a lighter weight one like 45# all day and it does not affect my shooting a heavier one as I keep my muscles limbered up shooting this all year long cold or heat does good.
 you all hang in there and have a some Happy Holidays, I hope everyone had a rather enjoyable hunt this year. I have not been here for a while and wont be for while I go in for angio tommarrow, and will be laid up again like most of this season I want my ticker going strong again so I can get out there and enjoy my time with the grandchildren and hunting again.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2003, 05:21:40 PM »
Thanks guys.  Good luck on the angio Bowhunter!
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2003, 03:09:37 PM »
Back when I was a whole lot younger (before they put wheels on bows) it was common to have low weight practice bows for the off-season.  IIRC the suggested weight was 35# or less for men and around 25# for the ladies.  The idea was to keep good form and of course hand-eye coordination without straining.  Then use the heavier bows for a couple of weeks to a month before going into the field.  It seems to me that most folks didn't go much over 45-50 pounds back then, except for the guys going after beasties which could do damage in return...

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2003, 05:42:45 PM »
Bingo...work on my form, still enjoy shooting and then work into the 60# limbs when hunting..
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2003, 12:25:19 PM »
It might be important to remind everyone that the bow doesn't kill anything.  The arrow does that, so an arrow suitable to the game launched from a bow that meets the minimum draw weight or cast requirements of the jurisdiction in which one hunts is what is adequate.  The game won't really appreciate how fast the arrow was launched as long as it cuts deep enough in the right spot.  The speed of cutting is immaterial.

All of us sooner or later, if we live long enough, will come to the period in our lives when heavy draw weights won't be feasible.  At that point, we might decide to use the pulley system of a compound or go to lower draw weight traditional bow.  In the latter case, it shouldn't be decision fraught with concern.

I've personally taken elk with 50 pound recurves and I'm confident I'd have taken them just as well with a 45 pounder or even 40, which would be the legal minimum where I've hunted.  Again, the crucial issue is the arrow and if the bow handles the arrow okay, the arrow will deal with the game.

This situation would also apply to new traditional bowhunters who frequently ask what draw weight is adequate without a thought apparently to what arrow is adequate for whatever game.  Therefore, as a general scheme of dealing with the issue, one ought to consider the broadhead first then determine what arrow shaft will propel it accurately from the bow.  As you might notice, the bow comes last in the list of considerations and that's as it should be.

Hope this provides some needed perspective on this issue.
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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2003, 01:39:48 PM »
thanks for weighing in seymour :D , but killing had nothing to do with the conversation.  i was asking if folks enjoyed shooting the lighter weight bows.  it's a matter of mere economics...i didn't want to throw $ away.  when hunting,  i shoot heavy arrows and zwicky broadheads...i have the utmost confidence in my rig.  

but thanks for pointing out that there are no more jurassic deer...just plain ol' deer.  They are not all that tough and it doesn't take a 100# war bow to kill one.  
 
on another forum, folks are are quick to point out the advantages of light weight bows and their documented ability to kill with efficiency.  i agree i don't need my 61 for hunting, but it's like using the 45-70 for deer...i just like it! :-D
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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2003, 03:40:26 AM »
I got my first long bow in the 50's, I switched to a #45 recurve in the 60's and have never looked back. On the subject of poundage, my brother, a longbow fan, once told me his #65 longbow would out shoot my #45 recurve. To settle the arguement we decided to shoot one his arrows thru a chrono machine a Three Rivers Archery, where he was working at the  time. He shot first and his arrow passed through the machine at 165 fps, I shoot second with his arrow at 185 fps out of my old recurve. We both shot the same arrow to try to keep it fair.

He wanted to try a second time but I told him that in the Olympics they don't go best two out of three.

Point is, there is more to the equation than just poundage of pull.
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2003, 07:14:47 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2003, 07:53:29 AM »
well Haggis I quess that supports Fadala quote in his Book Tradditional Archery he made the same statement about bows of lower poundage actualulty shooting faster than an higher poundage bow. He went on to say they that when looking for a bow try them and chrono them first before you purchase  them.
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« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2003, 08:19:41 AM »
IMO, one thing that makes higher poundage bows shoot slower than lower in some cases, is the fact that some shooters tend to short draw a higher poundage bow and end up getting less speed.

When I shot 70 pound bows and started to get tired, I might only draw 27 1/2 inches instead of the 29 the bow was made for. As soon as I dropped my poundage into the low 50's, my draw length increased to 31 inches. A full 2 inches more power stroke.

I have found that the extra two inches gives my 52 pound bow the equivilant speed of the same bow drawing 58 pounds approximately.

This is just the conclusion that I've personally come to, however I'm sure that there are guys who can pull 70 to 80 pounds consistently even after shooting dozens of arrows, but I can't seem to eat that many Wheaties.  :lol:
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« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2003, 08:43:54 AM »
I was discussing the above mentioned experience with a bowhunter friend of mine afier I moved to Minnesota. He shoots a compound with a split limb. He said the reason he shot a compound was because no stick bow could shoot more than 150 fps.

To try his theory we used the chrono at the indoor range where he shoots and used his aluminium arrow. His #70 bow shot the arrow at 194 fps and mine, again using his arrow out of my #45 recurve got 187 fps. This time we did three tries and it was always within 1 fps. Big surprise to him you can be sure.

Yeah, I say try lots of bows as some just seem to have it and others for what ever reason don't, and there's no reason to pull all of that weight if you don't have to. We older and/or injured folks who are dealing with bum shoulders need all the help we can get.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2004, 04:08:37 AM »
all in all when in boil down to everything they have the edge for shooting flater only. as for Accuracy  they have to practice with it just like we do to be proficient with our choice of weapon.
most of the avg. shots taken at wild game animals are within 15 to 25 yards, and an arrows still plenty down range kenetic energy to go all the way through a deer. To be honost with you all here when I started hunting with bow and arrow I was  scrawny Boy at 16 I weighed a 112 pounds, My bow poundage was 45#@28" (this bow was min. legal poundage in my home state) my arrows were only 27" long so with the calculations here I was pulling about 40 pounds  my first deer shoot 25 yards away and was complete penetration.
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