Katrina showed why your shtf rifle should be concealable

[Dave223]

I know this is an older thread but Im new here and thought I could lay some insight into Katrina and how the police act in the event of a storm.
 Im from a small town south of N.O., called Chauvin, below Houma and only 19 road miles from the end of the road. Katrina passed within 70 miles of me, Rita left me with 4 feet of water for 2 weeks, Gustav came in south of me and passed right over, then Ike left me with 2 feet of water for a week.
 Someone mentioned a guitar case with a firearm inside..I think that could be the WORST thing you could do honestly..the police are looking for looters first and foremost. Ask yourself this, how out of place does a person look thats carrying a guitar case after a storm? is he looting or whats he hiding?
 The first thing that happened here was a suspension of gun, ammo and alcohol sales. This lasted for almost 2 weeks. So STOCK UP. stores and gas stations are down unless they had a generator. Only one station here did and was long lines everyday for fuel for my generator. My family of five lived for a week after Gustav on MREs. They are the most god awful things on earth after a week...and the biggest thing I can stress is CHEW THE GUM...its aint for fresh breath, its a stool softener and its needed.

back to the point. Unless your bugging out, dont get caught carrying by anyone! My shotgun stayed in my vehicle , loaded, at all times after all these storms. It stayed in my boat when I used it to get home when the water was high. Our police know we carry in these situations but its not something thats flaunted.
 When I have time I will start a thread on what happened here and in NO after Katrina and Gustav and you can learn what you like from them...Thanks for listening, Dave

[Couger]

When I have time I will start a thread on what happened here and in NO after Katrina and Gustav and you can learn what you like from them...Thanks for listening, Dave

Thanks Dave and hope you do share more info later.  I'm not a native Southerner, but grew up my teen along the Redneck Riviera in Panama City.  My parents were from Wyoming and Colorado, despite that my pops was a career Navy pilot.  Of course my family spent a lot of time in Pensacola early and real late in my dad's career.

I experienced Hurricanes Agnes and Eloise - which were minor disturbances compared to Katrina, and even Camille.  I saw the aftermath of that storm 10 months after it clobbered Gulf Port/Biloxi.  And like the Tom Skanks flick "Forest Gump," Camille really messed up the shrimping industry.  On the beaches one could wade out several hundred yards and still be in waste-deep water that summer afterward.

It was almost incredulous to watch when Florida got clobbered by Hurricane Ivan along with the three other H's that hit that summer.  I haven't been back to the Gulf Coast for more than 30yrs, but Ivan sure beat the heck out of Pensacola and even the main Naval air station - destroying many old and historic buildings on that installation.

But if I was to learn anything from Katrina it would be how dangerous parts of our country can be when anarchy hits, or the local constabulary deserts or "quits" (besides being corrupt and un-Constitutional in their methods), but especially how hard dealing with a flood or water disaster can be as well.

I'm in Woorsheengton state altho I have lived in the intermountain West, mostly Utah.  Out here were worry about earthquakes and blizzards along with the occassional forest fire or even more rare Mt Saint Helens type eruption.  I suppose if quake occurred close to the coast a tsunami could be a factor.

When I've thought about the heavier hurricanes my family missed after we all moved away, I've wondered how a family could store water and fuel to be self-sufficient after a storm of Katrina's or Camille's magnitude.  What I thought of was burying (even partially) barrels of fuel and potable water that would remain sealed even when flooded - to come home to during the clean up. 

We actually lived on a bayou, but our storms never flooded our house.  Couple times debris and surge got up close to the doorstep, but not any closer.  We did however loose several trees, not surprisingly!

About weapons, I see a real need to be able to have at least minimum arms that can be hidden so that crooks (feds and criminals) can't find them, even on the family "trucK" if need be (when fleeing Dodge during a real SHTF). 

But I'm also aware that before Katrina that its been well documented many times that if pulled over in many LA locales, if a gun was found but the owner didn't happen to have a receipt - he REGULARLY had the gun confescated  as standard police SOP!

However a story has been making the rounds that an Oregon state employee was laid off, but then foolishly went and bought three guns in the same day. 

"Flags" went off when that vendor following the law, notified the authorities about that (disgruntled?) customer's multiple purchases.  The long and short is that next morning about 5:45a.m., SWAT called him after barricading off both ends of that customer's street and exvacuating several of his neighbors.  He surrendered to police when asked to - NOT THAT HE EVER COMMITTED even a slightest infraction (like spitting or j-walking!)  He agreed to give up all his guns to authorities and let them "evaluate" him in the local funny farm.  Of course he was found "safe" and healthy, released, proptly demanded his "property" back and got them.

This was / is a wake-up call, IMO.

The "state" will take guns from leagal, law-abiding citizens "for their own good," and too many LEO's regardless of department will willingly follow orders and think about any consequences later!  Of course beaurocrats are mindless unthinking thugs - MANY OF THEM!

The latest I read about that fellow in Oregon, is that a couple lesftest, liberal beaurocratic (thugs) a couple hundred miles from Medford, OR got the gubmnt'l juggernaut a rolling (and shot-storm that followed) and are letting the local more conservative LE's take the heat of public opinion!

I can vouch that Oregon and Washington are as looney and liberal as Kalifornika!  So if you ever leave Dixie to the left-coast, be aware.   

[HAMMERHEAD]

Putting a rifle in a guitar case is illegal in my state (MN). Cases must be made specifically for firearms, I wouldn't be surprised if many states had such laws.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Swampman:

Not a thing wrong with the republicans. They are the only reason we still have guns.

Yea, right Swampman:

In 1969, journalist William Safire asked Richard Nixon what he thought about gun control. "Guns are an abomination," Nixon replied. According to Safire, Nixon went on to confess that, "Free from fear of gun owners' retaliation at the polls, he favored making handguns illegal and requiring licenses for hunting rifles."

It was President George Bush, Sr. who banned the import of "assault weapons" in 1989, and promoted the view that Americans should only be allowed to own weapons suitable for "sporting purposes."

It was Governor Ronald Reagan of California who signed the Mulford Act in 1967, "prohibiting the carrying of firearms on one's person or in a vehicle, in any public place or on any public street." The law was aimed at stopping the Black Panthers, but affected all gun owners.

Twenty-four years later, Reagan was still pushing gun control. "I support the Brady Bill," he said in a March 28, 1991 speech, "and I urge the Congress to enact it without further delay."

One of the most aggressive gun control advocates today is Republican mayor Rudolph Giuliani of New York City, whose administration sued 26 gun manufacturers in June 2000, and whose police commissioner, Howard Safir, proposed a nationwide plan for gun licensing, complete with yearly "safety" inspections.

Another Republican, New York State Governor George Pataki, on August 10, 2000, signed into law what The New York Times called "the nation’s strictest gun controls," a radical program mandating trigger locks, background checks at gun shows and "ballistic fingerprinting" of guns sold in the state. It also raised the legal age to buy a handgun to 21 and banned "assault weapons," the sale or possession of which would now be punishable by seven years in prison.

[SHOOTALL]

Alot of good imfo here , Hope Dave starts another thread . I like a shotgun but a rifle has its good points . Having both makes good sense . Ya'll have mentioned size here but weight will take a toll also . The SOCON is a fine weapon and small for the fire power . It weighs alot though in any case it will be heavy . In a case that would normally house a light object it will stand out even if carrying a instrument case in a storm dosen't , And i can't imagine it not looking odd . We have storms here with floods but to be honest nothing like others have had to endure . We go over weeks with out elec. but nothing a generator can't help with . So far we have not had guns taken from us unless the law was broken .
 Anyway one must remember the purpose of the handgun - to use to fight with until a long gun can be retrived . Just a thought .
 I find a 30 carbine with folding stock to shall we say "CASE" well for storage in confined spaces , such as packs , suit cases , in trucks , boats and other places one might come up with . No 308 fer sure but with JHP ammo its workable up close . At distance it can make um keep their heads down . 

[Dave223]

I wouldnt bury fuel with a flood coming...water is heavier than fuel, it WILL pop out of the ground and float away.
Down here we use sewerage treatment plants and they have to be either filled or strapped down with anchors to stop em from popping up.
I think I will start the thread on Katrina and hurricanes.

[rio grande]

The people have learned that the government will steal your protection during a disaster.

Im darn sure next time, there will be gun fire.

As long as your firearm is out in the open, the law is on your side.

You just have to be ready to use it

Contradictory.

The gov't will 'steal your protection' but 'the law is on your side'?  So after the gov't men disarm you, you go to the courts (in reality, run by the gov't - surprise,surprise) to get your guns back?  If you live that long, I suppose.
"Use it"? For what? Shoot that gun-confiscating cop or soldier and you 1) will be killed immediately, or 2) will be beaten and tortured and put in a cell for the rest of your life. But remember, the law is on your side!

It's a new day in America.  

Just to note, a rifle or shotgun stowed in a pack, guitar case pvc pipe, etc. is not what you could call easily and quickly accessible!  The first time some third-world crackhead (or most likely 3 or 4 of them) pulls a knife or points a $50 gun at you, you've lost that stowed gun.  Have a handgun.

[SHOOTALL]

Anything burried can be detected . Be it burried in ground , walls ,floors, cielings . What the eye in the sky can't find or see you bury then the metal detectors will or X-RAY etc.

[Rock Home Isle]

Even more importantly it showed why you should never vote for a Democrat.

Very well stated.

[Prebanpaul]

why are all of you complaning about katrina and the govt.   You personally did nothing to stop it or help the citizens down there to keep their 2nd admendment.  You might have sent prayers or money or went down there to rebuild.........  but just like every one else ....  me inlcuded we just watched....


the bottom line is if something happens dont let them know what you have.  Have more than one.........  and be actually ready to defend it...  starting now.......

[Dances with Geoducks]

"Use it"? For what? Shoot that gun-confiscating cop or soldier

Yup, all of the above. In recent videos I s aw where the gun stealing was around New Orleans , not out in the country side.

Where civilians zerged in force. When you outnumber the government, you are safe

If they try and take our guns, that is an illegal, unlawful order. Those that do not die, will be prosecuted under the UCMJ, after the fact.

[Rock Home Isle]

Falls in line with the precepts of our fore-fathers..."A free society is an armed society..."

[garbhead]

The people have learned that the government will steal your protection during a disaster.

Im darn sure next time, there will be gun fire.

As long as your firearm is out in the open, the law is on your side.

You just have to be ready to use it

yea  right......where  are you from??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

at  what  point  do  we  shoot back???

more
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMOKh0HUClA

i  can't believe  this  one
watch it  a few times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm5PC7z79-8

looks  like a blood bath is brewing

With a Democrat as governor of Louisiana at the time, but with  Republicans in charge of the National Guard, how do you blame only the Democrats?  they ALL need to be thrown out !!!   They all use talking points : civil rights, abortion, guns, constitution,etc  to divide US....that will always make us less powerful when WE are always DIVIDED and never totally UNITED The people bickering back and forth is the way THEY want us !!!!

[RB1235]

Anyone who believes Republicans are pro gun needs to research a bit. http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/issue11/dont_blame_liberals.htm It doesn't really go into depth. Such as the 86 Reagan full auto ban. All of the senior senators still in office that tread on the 2nd Amendment every chance they get. Remember with the Clinton Ban it was a Republican majority at the time that passed the bill. Actually a super majority. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100418143728AAPJsT3

[teamnelson]

Have a handgun.

Can't say that too many times. Remember, we're talking survival. Not assaulting Ft. Knox, defending the Alamo, escaping zombies or hunting mountain sheep.

Is a shotgun more powerful? Yep. Does a rifle have longer reach? Yep. Does an AK/AR give you greater mag capacity? Sure. But a handgun can be carried securely without using your hands, give you sufficient power out to even 200 yds (as the Rams at my range will attest), reasonable capacity, and is far easier to conceal and quicker to present than any long gun. And you can have more than one on you at a time and still conceal them. Two of the keltec 30rd .22mags, with spare mags, would be light on the belt, and very hard to see under a jacket.

[rio grande]

........If they try and take our guns, that is an illegal, unlawful order. Those that do not die, will be prosecuted under the UCMJ, after the fact............




[/quote]

that's a pollyanna   (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Pollyanna)   view of the world.  'Military Justice" is an oxymoron.  The only people who would be in the courts after a gunfight with the lawmen and the unconstitutionally utilized U.S. military would be the very unfortunate civilian survivors facing 'life' in prison.
Now, if you understand that beforehand and choose to put up a fight - that's bravery.  If you don't understand that and put up a fight, that's stupidity.
However...as David Crockett said "Be sure that you are right, and go ahead".

[JeffG]

Yes I wonder if overtly concealing it like putting it in a guitar case would buy you trouble if discovered.

One last comment, and I am done. I am a cop, and I am a supporter of an armed American society.  I don't think that this is a duality of purpose, I think this should be a solid single purpose. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread...... so do heroes!

[streak]

Dave223,
How long have you lived in Chauvin?
Back in my youth in the 1950`s we lived in Houma and really had a lot of fun there. All of our neighbors were cajuns! Family names like La Pointe, Fontenot, Herbert, and Theriot were pretty common names in the little neighborhood. Good part about the neighborhood was the houses were spread very far apart so had a lot of room.
My daddy always kept the old Winchester 12 gauge ready to go!
Back in those days guns were seen a lot out in the open and it was just a way of life, no big deal.
When we first moved down to Houma and started to ride the school bus, some of the cajun boys found out we had moved to Houma from Dallas,Texas.Well some of those kids decided we were "cowboys" and decided to try us out! Now bear in mind we did have our cowboy boots on so I guess that was a starter. I was in the 5th grade, had a little height on me and wiry, my middle brother was in the 3rd grade, stocky, stubborn and high tempered, my little brother had a little height on him and was in the 1st grade and was a toughie. Well after a few episodes the cajun boys decided that we could handled ourselves and alot of those boys became good friends. So have a lot of fond memories of that part of Louisiana, we were originally out of N.W. Louisiana about 32 miles northwest of Shreveport.

[Dave223]

Dave223,
How long have you lived in Chauvin?
Back in my youth in the 1950`s we lived in Houma and really had a lot of fun there. All of our neighbors were cajuns! Family names like La Pointe, Fontenot, Herbert, and Theriot were pretty common names in the little neighborhood. Good part about the neighborhood was the houses were spread very far apart so had a lot of room.
My daddy always kept the old Winchester 12 gauge ready to go!
Back in those days guns were seen a lot out in the open and it was just a way of life, no big deal.
When we first moved down to Houma and started to ride the school bus, some of the cajun boys found out we had moved to Houma from Dallas,Texas.Well some of those kids decided we were "cowboys" and decided to try us out! Now bear in mind we did have our cowboy boots on so I guess that was a starter. I was in the 5th grade, had a little height on me and wiry, my middle brother was in the 3rd grade, stocky, stubborn and high tempered, my little brother had a little height on him and was in the 1st grade and was a toughie. Well after a few episodes the cajun boys decided that we could handled ourselves and alot of those boys became good friends. So have a lot of fond memories of that part of Louisiana, we were originally out of N.W. Louisiana about 32 miles northwest of Shreveport.

Ive been down in Chauvin for about 20 years or so. i work in Houma for the local gubment. How old are ya or what year did you live in Houma?  Wanna talk about cajun names, mine is Arceneaux.   Sorry, I hadnt seen the reply to this thread. Dave