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Found a new super Handi.
« on: September 26, 2010, 03:26:22 PM »
I dragged out a lot of deer killing Handis to see what was needed where. .455 Supermag kinda left me waiting at the station.  Yeah, I got it to work, but it's only minute of deer.............Now, I dragged out the  7.62x39 and punched a bunch of steel cased cheapo Russian ammo through it.  Took me about five to dial it in at about 30 yards.  The last round took out the center crossline in the target.  Eight shots later at the 300 yard gong....all hit. 

There's no doubt it is a natural born killing machine.....but what?......Oh yeah, Arabs and Such.....no, back to reality.  Deer, I don't think so.....any other ideas?

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 03:31:04 PM »
YOu can get brass and load that up with real hunting loads.....or even buy soft point ammo for it. I'd use it.
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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2010, 03:46:48 PM »
J&G has some hollowpoints for a good price that'd probably do nicely on deer.  8)

http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/ammo-for-rifles/7-62x39mm/p/7-62x39-golden-bear-hp%2C-brass-plated-case%2C-20-rd-boxes-/cPath/12_41/products_id/2999

Midway has brass available too and you could probably use about any .308 or .311 bullet, depending on what your barrel prefers.  8)

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=1390387798

Just one of the less expensive possibilities:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=273029

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Also, the golden bear at J&G is available in 500+ boxes starting for $119.
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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 03:53:13 PM »
If the 30-30 is good deer medicine then why isn't the 7.62x39? You know better than that Pete... load 'er up with 150's and go kill some deer with it. ;D
What's going on with the 445?    I thought it was a good shooter??




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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2010, 03:55:06 PM »
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The last round took out the center crossline in the target.  Eight shots later at the 300 yard gong....all hit. 

Now that rifle seems way to accurate to stay in the closet! You outta send it to me so i can keep an eye on it fer ya!  ;)
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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2010, 04:12:25 PM »
Spanky, it's not the rifle, it's me.....my eyes.  All of a sudden I can see better with a scope than a red dot.  The red dot on the .445 doesn't work for me as well as the 3-9x50 on the 7.62x39.  That American/Russian is working really well.  I've had a couple of Magic Rifles in my day, and I believe this is another one.   I think I will put 3-9x50s on the .445 and .38-55 and get them lined up before deer season.

No, the 7.62x39 isn't hunting deer this year.  It will be the .445 Super and the .38-55......cause Tim did them.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2010, 04:27:44 PM »
The Russian steel case HP are generally considered FMJ that is legal to shoot where FMJ is banned. Not for hunting.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2010, 04:28:24 PM »
Pete,

I was hoping the 38-55 barrel and bullets would be there Saturday, da UP must be somewhere close to Alaska, eh!!  ;D

I was gonna go to the range tomorrow and work up a load in the 38-55 with the new bullets, but I got a call from Jack, he's taking the day off so we can hit the Klickitat for some more steelhead and kings, so I won't be shootin until Tuesday, we hooked 8 Friday, landed 6, took home 3, gotta go when the fishin is hot.  ;)

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2010, 12:09:59 AM »
Alaska??  I thought that was a few thousand miles south of us ??? ???  Tim, catch da fishies when  ya can....da range'll be der.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2010, 01:46:58 AM »
Pete,

7.62x39 with the factory hunting ammo ought to be just fine.  Also, I believe you be the guy who said he wouldn't keep a non-shooting rifle, so either ship that problem 445 to me or better yet get you a new Redfield scope and I bet your supermag will be ready to go.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2010, 02:31:45 AM »
I'm just wondering why such honking big scopes on nice little rifles. I would think that a nice little scope would be more to order.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2010, 04:25:39 AM »
I'm just wondering why such honking big scopes on nice little rifles. I would think that a nice little scope would be more to order.

I've got 4x32s, they just don't let in enough light for my old eyes.  I see much better through 50mms, especially dusk and dawn or in dark woods.

Pete,

7.62x39 with the factory hunting ammo ought to be just fine.  Also, I believe you be the guy who said he wouldn't keep a non-shooting rifle, so either ship that problem 445 to me or better yet get you a new Redfield scope and I bet your supermag will be ready to go.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2010, 04:35:46 AM »
I'm just wondering why such honking big scopes on nice little rifles. I would think that a nice little scope would be more to order.

If a person needs more than a 3-9X40, they should learn how to get close enough to make an ethical shot.
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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2010, 04:46:06 AM »
Pete, stick whatever scope you need to on ur .445 and get it dialed in for the season and dont look back.
 dont worry a bit about whether or not someone else agrees with you choices.
if you need the scope and its whatever power, maybe more than what younger eyes would need, well so $%&# what...

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2010, 05:25:44 AM »
if I remember correctly the brightness factor is the objective diameter divided by the power,and the average human eye can only usefully dilate to approximately 7 mm, even say if it was 8 mm, a 4X 40 scope is still @ 10.The 50mm objective would give you a 7 up to 7 power, so it should be more of a function of needed magnification. I also have eye problems and I have a couple of 4X28 scopes that are quite bright. One of my favorites is an old Bausch & Lomb that has a post-crosshair reticle, which I dont see anymore in any scopes, the +#3 German" (or is it #4??) is the closest now, but that is only on high end stuff. My scopes for handi's are mostly shotgun scopes because mine are either in pistol calibers, or "brush rifle " calibers. I only use a red dot now on very dark days in heavy timber, and under 100yds. Good luck with the 445.
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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2010, 06:24:00 AM »


If a person needs more than a 3-9X40, they should learn how to get close enough to make an ethical shot.

Swampie, There are lots of folks here that can make "ethical" shots out to 500 yards.  The X40 X50 only relates to the diameter of the objective lens, not magnigication.  
There's no difference between a 40 or a 50 of a given power.

I almost forgot to mention, I ordered two more 3-9x50s a little while ago.  I'll work real hard at keeping my shots ethical and inside of 400 yards.  (not with the .445 or the .38-55).  Some folks don't realize that where I hunt on my property, depending on location, I can see 2 miles.  Ya can't get close across a couple of alfalfa fields or pastures.  That's why, sometimes, if I'm hunting from a blind or stand I have two rifles with me.  A short brush gun for close in and a long distance smacker......both wear optics that work for ME.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2010, 11:39:41 AM »
On your original question, the 7.62 X 39 will work great out to 150-200 yards. There are lots of .311 bullets that will work fine for your needs. The 123 grain V-Max is great for small groups and non eating animals. 123 and 150 grain flat base bullets work well on the edible animals.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2010, 11:49:52 AM »
Thanks, Moorepower, I don't have time this season to mess with it, but I will.  She's a Handi
Dandi smacker, that is for sure.  This season is a "Thank You Quickdtoo" season, so all other Handis will stay at home.  .38-55 and .445.

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #18 on: September 27, 2010, 06:50:56 PM »
a few deer season back, i hunted with a saiga in 7.62x39 made at the Izmash factory with a scope and side mount
 i shot the 145 grain steel wolf ammo , it does a nice clean job on whitetails out to 175 yards.
 so, with a bit of load development  with good hand loaded components , a handi chambered for that round and the right twist rate should
 be an outstanding bit of medicine for these UP whitetails

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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2010, 02:35:05 AM »
Pete, you might try the old proven 170 gr flat point 308 bullet that has worked forever in your Commie gun when you get a chance to work up some loads . It works very well at the velocities of the cartridge and is known for penetration.Some of the 7.62 X 39's shoot the 308 bullets very well, others not so good. Good luck and Good hunting Amigo ;D
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Re: Found a new super Handi.
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2010, 03:46:35 AM »
I've got 100 168 gr. BT Ballistic Tips that I'm going to try in the .308, .30-30 and the 7.62....but that'll be around Christmas time.  Range reports much later.

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