The end of the barrel ?

[oldsoldja]

Do you know if the exit hole at the end of the barrel has to be perpendicular to the bullets path. Or would a slanted hole make the barrel inaccurate. What Im thinking of is a barrel that is a bayonet, a sharpened end , and letting the rifling show on the outside.

[quickdtoo]

It wouldn't be accurate at all, even a poor crown on a barrel that looks good won't shoot well, as the bullet exits the muzzle, the gas needs to be even all the way around the bullet's path as it exits the muzzle, having part of the barrel extending beyond the muzzle on one side would push the bullet away from the extended side, I would think it would totally upset bullet stability.

Tim

[leserz]

might get away with having it counter bored a inch or so then a 45* angle that's not counter bored.

[Dinny]

As Tim mentioned, I would not be accurate at all. Even with a counter-bored barrel, the gas still has to leave the end and in the same fashion all around. There's always a disruption at the end when a bullet exits, we just hope that it has an equal amount all the way around to balance things/cancel each other out. 

Thanks, Dinny

[myarmor]

.. Ummm am I hearing you correctly... turning you barrel, muzzle end, into a sharpened bayonet only there is no bayonet, it's just a sharpened tip muzzle
If ya want a bayo on a Handi barrel (no idea why, but hey it's your gun) then why not get an old Mil-Surp bayo and weld up a mount?



-Aaron

[bikerbeans]

Tom,

I would like to see a picture of your finished product, just don't do it to one of my barrels.

BB

[Spanky]

Go buy a Mosin Nagant M44... you can get 'em for $69 bucks and you'll have a bayonet.



Spanky

[myarmor]

+1 what Spanky said, it's all attached and in a powerful cal and the muzzle is far away from getting clogged up as well which leads to a whole lot of other problems.

[necchi]

.. Ummm am I hearing you correctly... turning you barrel, muzzle end, into a sharpened bayonet only there is no bayonet, it's just a sharpened tip muzzle

 Well it's best to be prepared ya know,,,One never can tell when prarie dog's, squrills, or even white tail might group and attack in mass, if they start at 100 or so you could get a couple rounds off,,but if it's an ambush it could get up close real quick!!

[jeepmann1948]

I remember many years ago a gentleman of Asian extraction found out the hard way That a bayonet attached to the end of an AK47 was no match for a 12ga shotgun 

[Smokin Joe]

Jeep, I think I know that guy's brother. The stupidity must run in the family, as he tried it against an XM177E2................same results.
 

[gcrank1]

And, FWIW, regarding the gas exiting the muzzle: 'tuning' the muzzle end has been utilized for shotguns this way for years, to get the pattern to move a bit to where you are looking. I dont recall ever hearing/reading about experiments on rifled arms of this, but it wouldnt surprise me if someone has.
As to the intent of the question, I dont like poking my muzzle into things, so its not for me, but under the right circumstances even a heavier varmint weight barrel, given a quick jab, would be formidable, Consider all that is done in martial arts with sticks and even the lowly policeman's 'billy'. To disable or diswade, I dont think impalling may be neccessary.

[quickdtoo]

How about a bayonet adapter instead?

Tim

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=411

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=410

[Spanky]

I remember many years ago a gentleman of Asian extraction found out the hard way That a bayonet attached to the end of an AK47 was no match for a 12ga shotgun 

Jeep, I think I met that guy's brother once. The stupidity must run in the family, as he tried it against an XM177E2................same results.
 Funny thing about those guys........they were all named Chuck   

Those guys must have family in the middle east too.



Spanky

[Catshooter45]

Oldsoldja,

The answer to your question is, like most technical questions, it depends.

If you want bench rest level accuracy, then I would guess then nope.  The muzzle end is called the crown and for the utmost in accuracy it must be as close to perfect as possible.

However, if you look and the muzzle brake that comes on an AK 47 you'll see a hell of an angle cut into it.  Now of course an AK isn't what most here would call accurate, but the brake doesn't seem to really make much difference for one.  Interesting design. 


Cat

[PawPaw]

Oldsoldja,

The answer to your question is, like most technical questions, it depends.

If you want bench rest level accuracy, then I would guess then nope.  The muzzle end is called the crown and for the utmost in accuracy it must be as close to perfect as possible.

However, if you look and the muzzle brake that comes on an AK 47 you'll see a hell of an angle cut into it.  Now of course an AK isn't what most here would call accurate, but the brake doesn't seem to really make much difference for one.  Interesting design. 


Cat

That's what I was thinking.  Screw an AK muzzle brake on to the end of a perfect crown and it might not affect the accuracy much at all.  Sharpen the brake and you could cut a plug out of a fellow.

[Frank V]

I have a friend who fought the Japenese in the Pacific in WW2. I asked him one day if he ever used his bayonet & he said "naw I always used my trigger finger". 
Frank

[LONGTOM]

There is always the exception to the rule.
I own a pre war Winchester model 70 in 22 Hornet that someone cut the barrel off by hand    and just used a file to smooth the end up a little.
No crown and they didn't even get rid of all the saw marks.
You can hold the gun at arms lenght and see it was not cut square or even.
This thing will cut holes at 100 with factory ammo.
I had thought about replaceing the barrel with an original take off from an old beater but it shoots so good the way it is.
It shouldn't shoot worth a darn, but it does.
Try and figure that one out.
Just goes to show, not all things are writen in stone!



LONGTOM

[quickdtoo]

Hmmm, I think someone that wants to cut their barrel shorter(BB maybe?) should take a hack saw to the range with them and make the cuts in small increments and shoot some groups between cuts to see what changes it makes until they get down to their desired barrel length!!  

Tim

[guns-o-fun]

Had a Mossberg tactical 12 ga. for a while with an 18 inch barrel including a permanent muzzle brake with a nasty serrated front end.  "what's that gonna do that 6 rounds of buckshot won't" I thought.  Somebody suggested it was a door buster...?  BTW, just to get a little farther off topic - but not too far - I have gone over to using an old fashion bit brace for recrowning projects.  Works great.  There is enough play in the thing to actually allow the pilot on the cutter to self center (and keep the muzzle at right angles to the bore).