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.410 in a .444?????
« on: June 23, 2010, 02:22:59 PM »
Okay guys, I just read in another forum, someone was saying he regularly shoots .410 shells in his Marlin444 rifle. Says only remington shells fit good.  I was thinking, will a 410 shell fit a 444 NEF?  Has anyone tried it?  If it will fit his Marlin it ought to fit a NEF.  ANyone??  Wallacem in Ga.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2010, 02:41:53 PM »
Usually not a good idea to put the wrong ammo in any gun.    Plus the last 410 slugs I bought where not any cheaper than 444 Marlin ammo and the 410 shotshells where at least $0.65 a piece.  I think if I wanted to shoot 410 rounds I would do it in a gun that has 410 stamped on the barrel.  Finished my "soapbox speech" now to answer your question, I do not know of anyone who has tried to shoot 410s in a 444 Marlin.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2010, 03:00:00 PM »
Lot of folks make .410 shells out of .444 brass.  I have some myself.  Your not going to get much of a pattern.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2010, 03:15:02 PM »
Sure and you can shoot 243win and 308 win out of a 358 winchester but it ain't a good idea. With the .410 you get the extra fun of scrubbing the plastic out of the rifleing before you shoot propper ammo. Heck wild west guns advertizes you can shoot .410 out of their 457 co pilots which when pushed they admit ain't a good pratice or idea. The best I ever saw was a try at shooting a 454 casull out of a mint old S&W mod.25,it was a one shot deal. Pressure wise you are not in trouble if all you shoot is the .410 but a box of .410 and then a BB load you could be in trouble fast.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2010, 03:22:14 PM »
Then there is always the urban legend about shooting the crossbow bolt out of a 410 breakopen.  Story goes that you remove the pellets from a 410 shell, insert backend of a bolt into the wad and put it in the chamber.  Use a short barrel so the front of the bolt sticks out and you screw on your broadhead.  Only problem with this is a normal Xbow bolt with 100 grain broadhead weighs around 400 grains, so you have more weight plus bolts flex a bit when shot at normal speed let alone what would happen trying to push one to supersonic.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2010, 04:04:57 PM »
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2010, 04:27:05 PM »
Your answers does not surprise me.  I don't plan to try it, heck, I have always thought the 410 is about as useless as the tits on a bore. I love the 28 ga., wonder if I use a ball peen hammer to chamber one is a 444?????

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2010, 05:39:00 AM »
Aint forums great!?
You can 'float' a stupid idea before you try a stupid idea (there's a kid in all of us) and not get hurt.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2010, 06:29:15 AM »
IMO it won't hurt anything.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2010, 03:31:09 PM »
Well.....other than plastic from the shot cup in the rifling, or leading from the pellets in the rifling if no shot cup, then no, it wont hurt. And you must remove either before shooting regular 'proper' ammo in it then too.The pressures wont be over the top or anything, but, most likely it wont shoot to the sights.
Why not just pick up a cheap .410 at a gunshow. They go for only about $75 here.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2010, 04:10:02 PM »
Anyone could do that.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 05:55:04 PM »
Doesn't a 45 Long Colt fit a .410? Are .444 cases the same diameter?
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 03:19:36 AM »
Kevin,

45 long colt shoots a 45 (.451 - .452) bullet, 444 Marlin shoots a 44 (.429 - .430) bullet, so at a minimum the case mouths are a different dimension. 

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2010, 03:25:43 AM »
The base of the .444 is pretty big.  Much bigger than a .44 Magnum.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2010, 05:51:06 AM »
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2010, 06:07:35 AM »
I just wouldn't do it, even if it works.  To me it would be easier to just load the .444 for shot.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2010, 06:22:53 AM »
+1 on Pete.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2010, 03:29:16 PM »
Doesn't a 45 Long Colt fit a .410? Are .444 cases the same diameter?

It fits the chamber, but not the barrel..

Those 45/410 guns out there are .45Colt guns with a .452-.454" bore diameter and a longer chamber to accommodate .410 shells.   A 410 gun only has a .41" bore, with an even smaller diameter at the muzzle for the choke.

.444 shells are tapered.  They are pretty close to a .45Colt at the base, but taper to about a .44mag's diameter at the mouth of the case.  When a .444 is blown straight, it becomes a .450 Mongo.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2010, 03:39:32 PM »
Not to 'jack, but what is the thought behind the .450 Mongo? Ive not heard of it.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2010, 04:27:26 PM »
At my last club we had a lock smith that mounted the T/C choke on the end of his marlin 444 and made a bunch of shot shells and tried them out.
Basicly he made 410's but with the 44 Shot shell capsuls.  He thought the T/ C choke tube with the strait rifleing woul work.
The broke water bottles at 15 yards.  Did not see them ever break a clay bird at 16 yards.
I thought he was a Dolt and later I got a Ruger 99/44 44 mag rifle and took it out to run it through its paces.
I tried 180 grain JSP, 240 JHP and JSPs and also grabbed a couple boxes of the shot shells.
The slugs worked.  I thought the shot shells would be good for tree rats on the way back from the deer stand.
At 5 Yards i could barly get one of the shotshells to put a couple peices of shot into a soda can. 
Shot it at a piece of butchers paper at 5 yards and found a huge hole in the center of the pattern.  The rifleing causes the shot to fling.  Scrapped the idea.  It is not only a deer rifle.  I carry a 22 handgun if i want to combo hunt.  or a shotgun and a large Caliber handgun.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2010, 04:50:19 PM »
Not to 'jack, but what is the thought behind the .450 Mongo? Ive not heard of it.

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2010, 12:30:23 PM »
Not an urban legend concerning the crossbow bolt, with the exception that we used to use cut off arrows.  They really zip out of the barrel and almost disintigrate when hitting something like a tree.  No video games or such when I was young, so we did that kind of dumb crap. 

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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2010, 02:50:31 PM »
I'm not a big fan of shooting the wrong caliber ammo in a gun. I saw a 7mm Rem. Mag split it's stock, blow open the magazine well, & generally scare the devil out of several of us several years ago at a hunter sight in day. The owner had gotten 7mm Rem. Express ammo at a local store. The clerk didn't know the difference & evidently the owner of the gun didn't either.
   I'd advise against shooting the wrong ammo in a gun. The best case scenerio would be poor patterns & scrubbing all that plastic out of your bore before shooting regular ammo.
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Re: .410 in a .444?????
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2010, 03:53:51 PM »
I've told this story may times before.  When I was a kid (1950s) we had an old Trapdoor Springfield 45-70.  We shot .410 shells through it all the time.  I mean everyday, we must have shot hundreds of boxes, since that was all my Grandpa would let us have.  We carried a stick to shove down the barrel to knock the empties out since they would not extract.

Then in the mid 60s we decided we wanted to go Deer Hunting.  We spent a long time brushing and brushing the bore, but we did not seem to be getting anywhere.  Looked like a smooth bore, but my Grandpa assured my Dad there was rifling in the old gun.  My dad took it and an old Japanese 7.7 we had used to play army with in the 50s.  Tied them in a small tree, loaded one round into each and tied a strings to the triggers.  Dad  backed around the corner of the barn and pulled the string.  Both guns fired and held togeather, so he did it again.  After the second round he deemed them safe for us kids to use for hunting with the actual ammo for the guns.  When we looked through those barrels they looked new to us, no longer smooth and dirty looking, but nice sharp rifling.  I'm sure they were pitted, but back then I did not know what that meant, they looked good to me.
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