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Offline Ten Ring

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New law?
« on: June 04, 2010, 01:54:51 PM »
Anyone know if this is true?  http://www.ammoland.com/2010/06/02/a...s-of-firearms
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Re: New law?
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2010, 02:00:43 PM »
Since the only thing at that link is a blank page saying not found it's hard to say. Just what is it that was supposed to be there?


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Re: New law?
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2010, 02:04:34 PM »
The link has been abbreviated and corrupted, I think this is it.

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http://www.ammoland.com/2010/06/02/atf-redefines-transfers-of-firearms/
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Re: New law?
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2010, 02:13:01 PM »
Well I guess that answers the question asked on the Pot Bellied Stove Forum about what obama has done about new gun laws. He just had his lackey agency types redefine the meaning of "is" which Klinton had so much trouble defining.

Anyone still thinking that DC isn't in the process of taking our freedom from us needs to wake up and smell the roses.


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Re: New law?
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2010, 02:43:16 PM »
Thanks for the help Tim.
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Re: New law?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2010, 02:48:20 PM »
So, if I understand this correctly, it means that shipping a Handi receiver to Ilion to get fitted for a new barrel will have to go through a FFL???!?
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Re: New law?
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2010, 03:06:12 PM »
Would kind of terminate the barrel program wouldn't it?  Larry
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Re: New law?
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2010, 03:32:19 PM »
I don't think it applies to normal transfers or shipping a firearm to the manufacturer, apparently it applies to firearms shipped for testing temporary  use as in sending it to a gunwriter for review, in the past they've never gone thru an FFL or background check.

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shipment of a firearm by a manufacturer (FFL) to any agent or business (e.g., an engineering-design firm, patent lawyer, testing lab, gun writer, etc.) for a bona fide business purpose to be a "transfer"

Read the actual ruling.

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http://www.examiner.com/x-1417-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m5d31-Why-did-ATF-suddenly-redefine-firearm-transfers
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Re: New law?
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2010, 03:57:40 PM »
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Re: New law?
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2010, 04:02:14 PM »
Thanks necchi, that's what I'm talkin about!!  ;D

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Re: New law?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2010, 05:22:22 PM »
Here the NRA explains it a little better or I think it makes more sense.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=5866
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Re: New law?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 05:27:31 PM »
"Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" -  Mark Twain

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Re: New law?
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 05:41:52 PM »
If  the present congress changes the meening of gun laws  --- but then say "We didn't pass any new gun laws"  --- vote us back into office

 This change looks like it has very little to do with  most of us..
I hope it is not the new trend of the anti gun  left..

Thank for keeping us informed    Dan                         

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Re: New law?
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 05:43:25 PM »
Death by a thousand cuts.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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Re: New law?
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 06:43:12 PM »
This change looks like it has very little to do with  most of us..
I hope it is not the new trend of the anti gun  left..                        

 Oh but it is my friend. You can bet your bottom dollar, that this was just tossed out there to gauge reaction. We'er dealing with some real weasles!!
 They know from experiance, if they try a frontal assault with full blown media reaction, that those of us that "kling to our gun's and religion" will have something to say about it. This is going to be all about back door and as quiet as possible.

Be ever vigilante.  ;)

 The best thing we, us common folk, can really do is stay aware and informed.
 
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Re: New law?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2010, 07:29:49 PM »
These people or capable of anything!

They can look you straight in the eye and lie to you, and when they get caught they say they misspoke!
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Re: New law?
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 07:07:21 AM »
Any one who believes that "ANY" federal official is there to help you must have been born today!

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Re: New law?
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2010, 07:11:04 PM »
Well they now have our attention up front... whats that other hand behind the back up to?
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Re: New law?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2010, 03:29:38 PM »
I believe that shipments to and from manufacturers and gunsmith for the purposes of repair or customization are specifically allowed under federal law (specifically GCA 1968).  No room for BATFE interpretation there.

Indeed most gun control laws were passed by liberal congresses who did not want future conservative administrations to have any room to maneuver.  They are therefore usually very specific.

In this case the statute did not define "transfer", so BATFE interpreted it to include sending a firearm to a 3rd party (not an employee) for business purposes.  My guess is that someone in BATFE got to thinking how bad it would look for the agency if a prohibited person got a firearm this way and used it for something criminal.  In their mind, better to just do a background check.

Right now, I am not worried about Federal problems.  Yes, we need to remain alert - but there are not enough votes in congress to pass anything new.  Gun control is so unpopular that a recent mailing to the democratic base - mistakenly mailed to my son - did not even mention it.  Then there is Heller - and the question as to how far the Feds can go.......

But for those of us who live in California things are different.  Here the Dems are racing to pas as many restrictive laws as they can before Heller applies against the states.  That way our broke state can waste money fighting to take our rights away.

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Re: New law?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2010, 04:50:36 PM »
They dont even need laws any more, if its on their agenda, they just DO IT

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Re: New law?
« Reply #20 on: June 12, 2010, 05:18:29 AM »
To paraphrase a line from 'The Last of the Mohicans' (referring to the British in North America,circa 1757):
" I believe they suspend their rule of law, when and as they wish".
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