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Scary to think...The Leak is...
« on: May 29, 2010, 04:32:48 AM »
Big...really big. They might not be telling us the truth...imagine that!  Dylan Ratigan interviews 2 oil industry experts who question alot of things about the leak and the cleanup effort; and a chain of accidents on the Horizon well. Let's hope for the best outcome.


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/05/prominent-oil-industry-insider-theres.html

Thursday, May 27, 2010
Prominent Oil Industry Insider: "There's Another Leak, Much Bigger, 5 to 6 Miles Away"



Matt Simmons was an energy adviser to President George W. Bush, is an adviser to the Oil Depletion Analysis Centre, and is a member of the National Petroleum Council and the Council on Foreign Relations. Simmon is chairman and CEO of Simmons & Company International, an investment bank catering to oil companies.

Simmons told Dylan Ratigan that "there's another leak, much bigger, 5 to 6 miles away" from the leaking riser and blowout preventer which we've all been watching on the underwater cameras:

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I have no idea whether or not Simmons is right. The government should immediately either debunk or admit his claim.

If accurate, the bigger leak could have been caused by the destruction of the well casing when the oil rig exploded. That is Simmons' theory.

Or it could be caused by a natural oil seep, although the odds of a seep of that size occurring right around the time of the Deep Horizon disaster is nearly zero.


There is another possibility.


It is well-known that there were previous accidents at the Deepwater Horizon rig. For example, as AP notes:


From 2000 to 2010, the Coast Guard issued six enforcement warnings and handed down one civil penalty and a notice of violation to Deepwater Horizon, agency records show.

On 18 different occasions during that period the Coast Guard cited the vessel for an "acknowledged pollution source."
And as 60 Minutes reports:


[Mike Williams, the chief electronics technician on the Deepwater Horizon, and one of the last workers to leave the doomed rig] said they were told it would take 21 days; according to him, it actually took six weeks.

With the schedule slipping, Williams says a BP manager ordered a faster pace.

"And he requested to the driller, 'Hey, let's bump it up. Let's bump it up.' And what he was talking about there is he's bumping up the rate of penetration. How fast the drill bit is going down," Williams said.

Williams says going faster caused the bottom of the well to split open, swallowing tools and that drilling fluid called "mud."

"We actually got stuck. And we got stuck so bad we had to send tools down into the drill pipe and sever the pipe," Williams explained.

That well was abandoned and Deepwater Horizon had to drill a new route to the oil. It cost BP more than two weeks and millions of dollars.

"We were informed of this during one of the safety meetings, that somewhere in the neighborhood of $25 million was lost in bottom hole assembly and 'mud.' And you always kind of knew that in the back of your mind when they start throwing these big numbers around that there was gonna be a push coming, you know? A push to pick up production and pick up the pace," Williams said.

Asked if there was pressure on the crew after this happened, Williams told Pelley, "There's always pressure, but yes, the pressure was increased."

But the trouble was just beginning: when drilling resumed, Williams says there was an accident on the rig that has not been reported before. He says, four weeks before the explosion, the rig's most vital piece of safety equipment was damaged.


It is therefore possible that there has been another ongoing leak which BP has tried to cover up.


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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2010, 05:46:33 AM »
It appears we have a problem. ::)
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2010, 05:59:44 AM »
So, the Gulf may become an oil pool and no more drilling will be required.  All they have to do is figure out a more efficient recovery system.  Suckitup.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 07:20:10 AM »
This is REALLY bad.  I live 50 miles from the Gulf.  There is no end in sight, the oil could keep pouring out at a high rate for God knows how long. In addition to destroyed habitat....
#1, fishing industry destroyed. Who will buy seafood if they even SUSPECT it came from the Gulf? Job losses.
#2, Gulf seafood processing companies ruined, job losses.
#3 Tourism wiped out.  Job losses.
#4 Offshore drilling cut back, rightly or wrongly.  Job losses.
#5 Hurricane season approaching.  Oil goes inland...  clean up? Who pays?  You? With tax $'s?
#6 Toxins from oil and dispersant... Human lives and possible birth defects.

This is just beginning.  Many, many thousands of people may be 'relocated'.  There's already talk about it, plans being made.
Where in the world would they be sent?  YOUR neighborhood? 

Greed caused this.  BP used cheap-a** equipment and rushed to complete the well, ignoring safe practices.
Our government should immediately freeze BP's assets, everything they can possibly put their hands on, until the scope of the disaster and compensatory costs are determined.

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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 09:20:20 AM »
The oil has reached the Gulf Stream, it's going global.  The Gulf Stream will take it up the eastern coast of the US and Canada.  Affecting the fishing in all those areas maybe even contaminating the outer banks.  Then the Gulf Stream will carry oil across the northern Atlantic past Greenland and Iceland.  Then down along the coast of Ireland and England.  Storms along the way will spread it to land, and up rivers and estuaries.  How long is it going to take to shut this one down?  The more it leaks the farther it goes with more potential for damage world wide.

 
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2010, 10:08:15 AM »
Pelosi blames Bush administration for BP oil spill.
By: Joel S. Gehrke Jr.
Special to the Examiner
05/29/10 7:38 AM EDT
Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., blamed the Bush administration for any lack of oversight leading up to the Gulf oil spill. The Obama administration, on the other hand, is blameless.
From Talk Radio News Service:
“Many of the people appointed in the Bush administration are still burrowed in the agencies that are supposed to oversee the [oil] industry,” Pelosi said when asked if Democrats could have prevented or mitigated the crisis by keeping a closer watch on the industry.
Added the Speaker, “the cozy relationships between the Bush administration’s agency leadership and the industry is clear…I’ve heard no complaints from my members about the way the president has handled it,” Pelosi stated.
On Friday, the Washington Examiner requested that Speaker Pelosi’s office release the list of Bush appointees to whom she was referring. We’ll let you know when we hear back.



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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2010, 11:03:41 AM »
The REAL reason why we have a two party system is so that each can lay all the blalme on the other any time it is convenient so as not to seem guilty. Sadly most of America just keeps buying into it.

Even now with our country crumbling around us no real effort is being made to begin building an alternate party to the two sides of the coin at grass roots level in each state. Short of such an effort you're never gonna see anyone become President except a repub or a dumocrap. Darn few if any other than those two will ever reach Congress either unless and until a strong and viable alternative party is in place in at least most of the 50 states.


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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2010, 01:35:19 AM »
The REAL reason why we have a two party system is so that each can lay all the blalme on the other any time it is convenient so as not to seem guilty. Sadly most of America just keeps buying into it.

Even now with our country crumbling around us no real effort is being made to begin building an alternate party to the two sides of the coin at grass roots level in each state. Short of such an effort you're never gonna see anyone become President except a repub or a dumocrap. Darn few if any other than those two will ever reach Congress either unless and until a strong and viable alternative party is in place in at least most of the 50 states.

For sure. Pelosi blames Bush, Palin is blaming Obama.
They're all guilty.  I'm all for a third party effort. Why keep picking the 'lesser of two evils'?

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 02:15:40 AM »
Our elected leader is trying to cut back our nuclear arsenal, weaken our military with the changes in the the "gay" policy, increase our dependence on foreign oil, blatantly allow us to be invaded from the south, install judges who ignore the one document that guarantees our protection, take control of major industries, control our access to healthcare, bury us in debt we cannot pay, tax us beyond our imagination, offend our strongest allies, honor our enemies and submit us to socialist international law. All culminating at one time under this one regime and all for the purpose of knocking us off the top of the heap. We are the raodblock to one world govt and we have to be removed. It's amazing to me how few people understand that we have already been sold out and the enemy has us surrounded. Dems and Repubs alike, pushing for ever bigger govt., selling favors to anyone who can enhance their wealth and power. It's all about globalism and expanding power and control to an international level. I'm convinced that with few exceptions (whom I am not wise enough to identify) any politician who gets beyond the level of city council has already sold his soul and is driven by a lust for power and will do anything to stay in office. Our small time state and local crooks who feloniously weasel their way to a Federal level are too stupid to realize that they are just helping set the table for the globalists to get control and eliminate them, too. Yeah, I know, small consolation. Sorry, I just had to rant!

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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 02:19:49 AM »
We will eventually turn the world's oceans into an open cess pool, kill all of the sustaining life therein, and foul the air we breathe from the stench.  We're doomed and it will not matter who is to blame.  Might as well fire the nuclear missiles boys...same result.

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 03:10:17 AM »
Can you say Green tax. They don't want to fix the leak.

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 04:02:52 AM »
Yeah, it's the end of the world.  And yes TM, I understand that it was all Bush's fault. 

The dumbest thing that could be done to fix it, would be for our guvmint to seize all of BP's assets.  That would pretty much end their responsibility and ability to pay for the clean up.  First, I doubt it could be done and second, if it were possible, those funds would disappear into every kind of bureaucratic and socialistic wastelands that our communist regime could concoct.

Third Party: Let's get real, people; the primary beneficiary of a tird party would be the Dumycrats.  One thing you can be sure of is that no brain-dead, hardline liberal is going to switch their vote.  Potential Republican voters would be the ones most likely to try something different.  Even if every Republican, or conservative switched to a third party (that's never going to happen), you still have to appeal to non-aligned voters.  And, even if the impossible were to happen and a third party candidate were to win the Presidency, what would make anyone think that that candidate would be any less likely to make mistakes? 

In countries where there are a multitude of political parties, it is very difficult to form a consensus.  Shakey coalitions are formed and fall apart quicker than they are formed.  Nothing gets done and no particular group has to shoulder the blame.

In a democracy, a strong two party system is not perfect, but then neither is a democracy in the first place.  It's just better than anything else that man has devised to try to organize society.  Oh, and yes I know we don't have a straight up democracy.  Whatever you want to call it, a viable third party isn't magic and is fraught with its own bag of problems.
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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 09:20:10 AM »
They know the wells pressure, the diameter of the pipe, the viscosity of the fluid, seems to me that the rate of flow should be a very easy math problem for any first year engineering student.
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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2010, 09:51:29 AM »
This leak will go on for ever, non stop till all the oil has spewed out and the basin is empty.  They can not stop it, and it is bigger than they want to admit to.  All life on this planet is carbon based, and this is just a differant form of carbon.  Move on.  
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Re: Scary to think...The Leak is...
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2010, 10:00:53 AM »
The pressure from an underwater bomb, wether a blockbuster conventional bomb or a small nuclear bomb could put enough pressure on the pipe and hole to seal it.  Or what they tried to do in the first place put a large cover on it and bring up the oil through a pipe, the upside down funnel.  I don't think the first one was large enough.  Maybe a larger one. 

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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2010, 11:38:57 AM »
BP said they are drilling to wells to either side of this leak to try to take pressure off this one and put it on two to bring out the oil that way.  Most of the wells in the gulf, once drilled have a pipeline laid on the ocean floor to bring the oil from the well to nearby refineries in Louisiana or Texas.  My brother used to weld on these pipelines.  they weld a joint, coat it and drag the long pipe line out to sea and place it on the ocean floor to the nearby oil wells needing to be pumped inland to refine.  All the welding was done on shore.  He did the root pass inside a pipe about 3' in diameter, crawled to the end, and welded the next joint.  They were slowly dragging whole length out to sea.  He said it was horizontal the whole time.  Pipe was hollow and floated until they were ready to fill the outside end with water to sink it.  He got paid good, but it played out.