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Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« on: January 26, 2010, 07:12:36 AM »


Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital
Jan 26 07:04 AM US/Eastern
By BILL KACZOR
Associated Press Writer
   
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Samantha Burton wanted to leave the hospital. Her doctor strongly disagreed, enough to go to court to keep her there.
She smoked cigarettes during the first six months of her pregnancy and was admitted on a false alarm of premature labor. Her doctor argued she was risking a miscarriage if she didn't quit smoking immediately and stay on bed rest in the hospital, and a judge agreed.


Three days after the judge ordered her not to leave the hospital, Burton delivered a stillborn fetus by cesarian-section.

And six months after the pregnancy ended, the dispute over the legal move to keep her in the hospital continues, raising questions about where a mother's right to decide her own medical treatment ends and where the priority of protecting a fetus begins.

"The entire experience was horrible and I am still very upset about it," Burton said through her lawyer. "I hope nobody else has to go through what I went through."

Burton, who declined to be interviewed, is appealing the judge's order. She isn't asking for money but hopes to keep her case from setting a precedent for legal control over women with problem pregnancies. She also worries it could prevent women from seeking prenatal care.

State Attorney Willie Meggs stands by his decision to seek the court order after being contacted by the hospital. "This is good people trying to do things in a right fashion to save lives," he said, "whether some people want them saved or not."

Burton is in her late 20s, has two young daughters and a common-law husband and holds down a blue-collar job, said her lawyer, David Abrams. She didn't want an abortion, had obtained prenatal care and voluntarily went to the hospital after experiencing symptoms she'd been told to look out for, he said.

But she didn't like the care she received at Tallahassee Memorial Hospital. She said her doctor, Jana Bures-Foresthoefel, was brusk and overbearing. Her lawyer said bed rest for difficult pregnancies is a controversial issue because it can cause some complications like blood clots. Abrams said smoking by itself doesn't cause miscarriages.

The mother said she wanted the option to seek care at another hospital or to go home so she could care for her two daughters.

"I was desperately hoping to receive the care I needed to save my baby," Burton wrote in her statement. "However, after a few days there, I did not feel I was receiving the care I needed, and instead of being allowed to leave or go to another hospital, I found myself being ordered by a judge to stay at Tallahassee Memorial and submit to all medical care from its hospital staff, whether I agreed or not."

The doctor and hospital officials declined to comment, referring calls to the state prosecutor.

American Civil Liberties Union lawyer Diana Kasdan said if the ruling stands it could lead to the state virtually taking over the lives of pregnant women, including telling them what they should or should not eat and drink and what medications they must take.

"It would be a horrible precedent," Kasdan said.

The state disputes that scenario, arguing Burton's case is rare—the only one out of 30,000 births in the Tallahassee area over the last 10 years.

Abrams said Burton's condition didn't merit such extreme action. Her symptoms were not that unusual, she wasn't in active labor and the state failed to show why bed rest at Tallahassee Memorial would have been any better than at another hospital or home, he said.

The judge ruled the best interests of the fetus overrode Burton's privacy rights, but Abrams disputes that. He notes the Florida Constitution, unlike its federal counterpart, has an explicit and strong privacy right, which the state Supreme Court has said guarantees a competent person the right to "choose or refuse medical treatment."

"If you apply the best interest of the child standard, the woman becomes nothing more than a fetal incubator owned by the state of Florida," Abrams said.

Circuit Judge John Cooper held an emergency hearing by telephone and ruled after taking testimony from Burton and Bures-Foresthoefel, but without obtaining a second medical opinion. The doctor said Burton's membranes had ruptured, that she was having early contractions and the fetus was in a breech position.

Judicial rules bar Cooper from commenting on pending cases beyond what is said in the court record.

Meggs, the prosecutor, said there was no time to get a second opinion because the situation was so dire: Burton was threatening to leave the hospital and her doctor believed that would have endangered the fetus.

"Sometimes there is not time for two doctors," Meggs said. "It's not time for a committee."

A three-judge panel of Florida's 1st District Court of Appeal heard oral argument earlier this month but has not indicated when it will rule.

There have been a few other cases nationwide that involve similar efforts by courts to intervene in pregnancies:

—In 1987, a Washington, D.C., judge ordered a woman who was dying of cancer to have a C-section, which she had refused, to save her fetus. The baby died within two hours of delivery and the mother died two days later. An appeals court later ruled the judge should not have ordered the C-section.

—In 2003, prosecutors in Salt Lake City charged an acknowledged cocaine addict who had a history of mental health problems with murder when she refused to have a C-section for two weeks before finally agreeing to the procedure. One of her twins died in the womb during the delay. Through a plea deal, the charge was later reduced to child endangerment.

—In 2004, a hospital in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., obtained a court order to force a woman to have a C-section because her seventh baby was oversized, but the order was too late. The mother, whose first six children each weighed nearly 12 pounds at birth, went to another hospital and delivered an 11-pound, 9-ounce girl naturally.

—Also in 2004, a judge in Rochester, N.Y., ordered a homeless woman not to get pregnant again without court approval after she lost custody of several neglected children.

Dr. Michael Grodin, a physician and professor of health law, bioethics and human rights at Boston University, said doctors should never resort to court orders.

"People have the absolute right to refuse treatment ...," Grodin said. "It's unconscionable. ... It's an affront to women."

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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2010, 08:28:42 AM »
And yet is she had wanted an abortion to kill the child the same liberals would have gladly allowed that.  ::)


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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2010, 08:52:41 AM »
So we are pro-ACLU here?  And to be clear, the unborn baby did not have any type of rights?  I'm so confused...

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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 03:58:24 PM »
Know the difference between God and a doctor?  God doesn't think he is a doc.

Too bad the the woman couldn't have delivered a healthy baby.  There are so many things that can go wrong in life, without meddlers getting involved.  When it comes down to maybe losing a job and paying for a long hospital stay what was she supposed to do?   As GB said, an abortion would have been no problem.  Some of the other things are hard to decide on.  If only there was a failure proof way to check peoples common sense before letting them marry/and or bear children.

As for the ACLU, the name says it.  Often they take a side a lot of us don't like, but they do speak up for the little people, including gun nuts.

 My daughter had a hard dangerous pregnancy, the doc wanted to send her home to wait out the hemhoraging and take her chances on getting back across town in a blizzard; she refused, and had an emergency C section the next night.  While Dad looked after Mom, Aunt looked after son #1, Grandpa (me) watched and questioned everything they did in the premie intensive care.  Tad is now 9 months and doing great.
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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 05:36:46 PM »
So we are pro-ACLU here?  And to be clear, the unborn baby did not have any type of rights?  I'm so confused...

I don't personally have enough information to take a side in this. I have a gut feeling on it but not enough info. My comment was merely that had she been wanting to kill the child via abortion the same folks who were here working so hard to keep her in the hospital under the guise of protecting the child would have been happy to see her terminate the life of the child. Just seems a tad ironic to me.


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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 01:19:00 AM »
we as a people,, just don t have the right to regulate through law or any other means
the personal way a person chooses to be..laws that say otherwise ,just trample all over individual freedom..
 now as to abortion ..women once they do the act that results in conception,,havn t got the right to purposely end the life in there womb..have it an give it up for adoption.. but somehow she must care for that individuals right to life an pursuit of happiness.
 this not an argueing point,for me..nobody is gonna convince me one person ,even the mother has the right to end anothers life ,purposely..she shoulda kept her rubber pants on. jmo slim

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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2010, 04:01:05 AM »
I don't understand why they didn't transport her to a different Hospital.

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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2010, 06:21:27 AM »
I don't think the really wanted to go to another hospital. She's a nicotine addict and what she REALLY wanted was to get out and have a smoke. Now whether those smokes did or did not have a negative effect on the child I can't know I suppose nor whether that was the real reason the child died.

My gut tells me it had a lot to do with it tho. I'm really torn on these issues and feel that if you are going to take on the responsibility to bring a new life into the world you have an obligation to that new life to not do things to harm it when it's in the womb like smoking and drinking and doing recreational drugs. What I can't exactly come to a decision on is the government's place in telling that mother she can't do those things.


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Re: Fla. woman fights ruling that kept her in hospital.
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2010, 06:33:35 AM »
This just demonstrates how stupid and contradictory our government is.
You want to abort your child, we'll help you with that. 
You want to smoke while pregnant, we'll have a judge force you not to.
You want to refuse medical treatment?  Sorry, not your choice any more.
I don't condone smoking while pregnant, but it's not my say.  When the government has the say, we have lost our freedom.

While I have a generally low opinion of the ACLU, there are times when they are productive.