One More Thing to Worry About

[Oldshooter]

This is not cap and trade it is cap and tax and it has not done anything anywhere it has been tried except raise taxes! but that is exactly what obama is out to do! he continues to do what he can to take the economy of this country into the crapper. Which will enable him to take more control of more of our freedom!

[chucky52]

The fact is I have seen no proof of illuminati. I know legislation and little good comes from it, these days. Cap and trade will in effect tax gas so it becomes expensive and people will quit driving just like they did last summer,when the price went up. The cost will also be passed on to business. There is a down side and an up side. Hurting the ecomomy is the down side, the up side is that Americans addicted to gas for their hummers will cut back. We waste less and our economy eventually improves and alternative energy sources are developed and we become less dependent on foreign oil= a good thing.

[magooch]

If the goal is to become less dependent on foreign oil--drill here, drill now.  It's not rocket science and it doesn't require government interference--just the opposite.

[Oldshooter]

The fact is I have seen no proof of illuminati. I know legislation and little good comes from it, these days. Cap and trade will in effect tax gas so it becomes expensive and people will quit driving just like they did last summer,when the price went up. The cost will also be passed on to business. There is a down side and an up side. Hurting the ecomomy is the down side, the up side is that Americans addicted to gas for their hummers will cut back. We waste less and our economy eventually improves and alternative energy sources are developed and we become less dependent on foreign oil= a good thing.

you are close to getting the BS stamp here Pard!  Its a damned tax is all it is! Sure there will be some cut backs by consumers but our "dependancy" on foreign oil is manufactured by the government! My family has been in oil transportaion for over 50 yrs.

We waste less and our economy eventually improves

  That alone rates  the BS stamp!

[chucky52]

Oldshooter, buy a couple of Hummers and see if the economy improves. The comment above is the cap and trade logic, philosophy, whatever; whether it works or you like it or not. By the way, Obama does. How much oil did your family produce in oil transportation?

[SHOOTALL]

The biggest decline that these laws produce is decline in work and products that say MADE IN AMERICA .
The road to a failed economy is paved with restriction that sends jobs away .
When you trade factories for service jobs you throw away assets .
 R-22 was under $20 bucks a 30lb drum  now its over $170.00 a drum .

[Oldshooter]

Oldshooter, buy a couple of Hummers and see if the economy improves. The comment above is the cap and trade logic, philosophy, whatever; whether it works or you like it or not. By the way, Obama does. How much oil did your family produce in oil transportation?

Narry a barrel, we just moved billions of barrels in(crude) and out(refined products) of refineries all over the gulf coast and Mississippi River system. And in doing so for over forty years myself I became familiar with production and development of production. I was born at night but not last night. So I dont speak from my behind when I speak! We are at the mercy of foreign oil because the powers that be want us to be!

 It may be the cap and trade logic, philosophy, but it seems you have adopted it! And it dont take a Philadelphia lawyer to figger out that obama likes it, since he likes the increase in taxes(something has to pay for his ridiculous stimulus and bailout packages) and the destruction of the Economy of this country! And if you dont think he is out to destroy the economy of this country then please tell me what in heavens name he is trying to do! I'm not dense I think I can cypher through a reasonable explanation! But dont tell me it is a good thing(cap and trade) because it has not proven to be so anywhere it has been tried!

[chucky52]

Nope, I do not like it as outlined in the third paragraph of the opening of this thread. If I haven't made myself clear, I apologize; but, I swear, I have never been falsley accused so much in such a short time period as since I started this thread. I want to change the thread title from Global Warming to False Accusations. Many of you guys are very quick to jump to conclusions and shoot the messenger.

[chucky52]

Further, I don't think we're accomplishing anything worthwhile so with this reply, I will end my involvement in this thread. Best wishes to all and don't forget to vote.
Chuck

[nomosendero]

"we waste less & our economy eventually improves"    You mean like in the Congo, it sure worked for them   Unbelievable    Yes, America is the poorest country in the history of the World because we have produced & used so much stuff. 

However, Oldshooter, I do feel you should buy 2 Hummers, you could give me 1 of them, I could use it on weekends during hunting season.

[jimster]

The economy will improve when they stop taking 900 a month out of my pay for state and fed taxes, plus property tax, sales tax, yadda, yadda.
Times a few hundred million working people.  To do this government would have to stop spending trillions of course. 
Pretty simple really.  Cap and Trade...what would that have to do with the economy???  Besides stifle it more?

Government spending my money is not working so well....let me spend it.  I'll hold up the car companies and the banks by myself.
As of now...I'm just saving every penny and not spending a thing and doing my part to break the state and the fed government until they
get off my back.  I have one thing they need and they don't have it...money.  I'll hide it, hold it back from taxes every chance I get...I'll do anything it takes to help them go even more in the hole.  I bet I'm not alone in my way of thinking, or how angry I am at them. 

I know one thing for sure on climate change....it changes...it always has, and without people too.  You don't have a chance in heck of changing the weather on the planet Earth, which is as hot at the core as the suface of the sun, and spinning around in space.  If the sun flares up one tiny bit, you'll fry...if it cools down a tiny bit you'll freeze, and the sun has a shelf life by the way....when it goes, we all go,  and driving an electric car won't save one soul on the planet earth.  They told us in the 70's we were headed for an ice age...same people told us this, our government.  They were wrong then, they are wrong now.  We can't even predict the weather for next week in this state...let alone what will happen years away.  Cap and trade is a money deal like all government deals.
No facts,  just a bunch of people that have no idea they are sitting on a planet that could turn itself inside out any moment, and instead of thanking God for one more day, they are involved in politics and money.  Our money.  They don't have any money.