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One off custom-breech load barrel
« on: February 06, 2009, 08:02:07 AM »
I have a few pictures of a new tube. It has a bore of .750", an OAL of 20", a full radius powder chamber, and yes that is a threaded breech.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2009, 08:04:51 AM »
where is the pictures ?? please show them for us
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2009, 08:08:29 AM »
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2009, 08:11:35 AM »
? ---- No Pic's!
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 08:18:07 AM »
yeah a very long while   ;D

thats an beauty

smart idea with the treads on the outside of the barrel , thats new for me .
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 08:22:35 AM »
Here ya go (click on any of the images to open the full-sized photo) ...





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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 08:27:14 AM »
Thanks Terry C.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 08:50:27 AM »
I like it!  Not your usual little cannon, what type of carriage are you going to build for it?
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 08:54:05 AM »
I'm thinking a Yorktown field carriage, made out of hickory.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 11:54:10 AM »
      Thunderpaw,   Mike and I like it a lot.  It reminds us of one of those transition guns of the 1880s.  Lots of them had classic lines like yours does, but has enough modern features like the screw breech and applied trunnions to make you take notice.  We really, really like it a lot and hope you will consider several different types of field carriage before you decide on that important part of your total field gun.

      Take a look at this carriage we found in central Vermont.  It dates from the late 1880s and holds a 12 pdr. Armstrong Whitworth & Co.
Q. F.  Gun of 1899.  We think this style carriage would look good with your outstanding tube.

Good luck with your project!

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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 12:08:04 PM »
Mike and Tracy , Could you possible show a few more photos of 1880s carriage so I can get a better view of how they put it together ? Thank you  Robin
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2009, 12:16:23 PM »
Seacoastartillery,

Just looking at the picture you supplied, makes me think twice about the carriage. In your opinion, what do you suggest for my gun.

Ben
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2009, 02:25:14 PM »
     The only photos we have are posted here.  We have no idea where you could get a drawing of this carriage; maybe these pics are enough to get the shape and details you may need.  This is the one we recommend, but there are other good looking carriages out there.
This one can be made of low carbon steel by machining or fabrication and welding, especially in your 1/5 or 1/6 scale. So, here they are; hope they help you both out Ben and Robin.

Regards,  Tracy and Mike


The shape of the cheeks clearly in view here.




Trail details here; notice the brace plate, lunette and elevation crank.




The trail cross-section in view and yours truly who was here on the Upper Parade at Norwich University for just the second time since graduating in 1969 forty years ago.  We fired this gun every evening  during the four years I was there.




Another carriage of the same type on the N.U. Campus; this one still has it's breech block.

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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2009, 02:34:59 PM »
At one time I owned and shot a threaded breech BP cannon that shot a little projectile of 20m/m size.  I learned rather quickly to use a little "anti seize" compound on the threads or it was sometimes rather difficult to remove the breech "nut" after firing.  I bought this compound at an auto supply store.  Just my thoughts from MY past experience.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2009, 03:18:17 PM »
Thanks Tracy and Mike, One more question are there any cross reinforcements under the barrel besides the axle and elevation cross member? ;D
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2009, 04:19:33 PM »
That Sir is one very beautiful cannon. How much does she weigh?. May be out of line here but how about a napoleon civil war era carriage. Or wheeled deck gun type from the same era. Frank
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2009, 05:13:12 PM »
     Ben,  We agree most definitely with Frank; she sure is a beauty and we wonder about the weight too and also if you made that trunnion band out of one piece or three?  Nice machining all the way around, that's for sure. 

     Robin, there are no other reinforcements that we can see besides those that you mentioned.  Although there are two elevation cross members as you call them.  You have the pinion gear axle and the lower cross piece holder of the curved rack that is pivot pinned to the tube's breech at the bottom of the chamber opening.  There are no more forward of this piece until you get to the axle, itself, and none forward of it.

Two thumbs up, Ben!!

Mike and Tracy
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2009, 05:39:40 PM »
There are some drawings of British artillery carriages on the internet
here's one of them........ I just have to remember where I found it........

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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2009, 04:00:28 AM »
She weighs in at a solid 22 pounds. The trunnion band is one piece and pressed into place.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2009, 10:32:45 AM »
do you have any construction drawings of it ??
Im very curious and its a beautiful cannon .
who knows , sometime maybe I get some leftover time  ;D
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2009, 10:54:18 AM »
 That's a fine looking tube, Thunderpaw, it has a very distinctive profile; thanks for posting the photos.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2009, 12:31:11 AM »
Drawings such as those posted by Kabar 2 are to be found on the website of the Palmerston Forts Society also accessible thru Fort Nelson website.  I have downloaded no end of interesting stuff from there.

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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2009, 02:44:26 AM »
Thanks,

It's been months since I went there and with everything going on with Carol and my knees CRS has set in. ::)
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2009, 02:53:19 AM »
DD, looks like hotlinking is blocked on those images.

I just see red Xs, and copying the URL to a separate window brings up a Forbidden warning.
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Re: One off custom-breech load barrel
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2009, 03:17:12 AM »
Skinned the cat a different way.....
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