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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 06:21:46 AM »
The gun in ypsilanti is made out of iron. it has 15 right handed grooves for rifling. It was poured at the West Point Foundry. its registry number 1s 19. The initials on it WAM are the inspecters intials for William Augustus Marye. The foundry number is 497. it was cast in 1865. It's weight is 26,820 pounds. Yes it did take an act of congress to donate those. Ill dig out a pic to show you what those looked like.
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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 07:20:03 AM »
One of these reports were issued at the end of every fiscal year. Hopefully I dont screw up the photobucket links again


If you look all the way to the right of the page you will see that not just artillery but shells are listed
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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2009, 12:16:57 AM »
There are lots more old photos and history here:


http://www.geocities.com/Fort_McClary/history.html

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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2009, 01:14:18 PM »
What was the powder charge for a gun like that?  It must have been huge.
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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2009, 02:28:17 PM »
     The 300 pdr. Parrott rifle used 25 lbs. of powder to loft a 250 lb. shell up to 8,000 yards and was used during the Civil War from Battery Strong on Morris Island, SC to bombard Ft. Sumter and Battery Wagner during the summer of 1863 and thereafter was used to further reduce Fort Sumter to a large pile of ruble, effectively transforming it into an earthwork fort.  Interestingly enough, the velocity was about 1,200 fps and the muzzle energy was 5,590,062 ft. lbs. compared to the Dahlgren 15" Shell Gun, which had a 440 lb. cored shot going 1,750 fps with a 60 lb. charge which yielded a massive muzzle energy of 20,923,913 ft. lbs. However, in less than 1,500 yards, the retained energy of the big Parrott Rifle shell exceeded the the energy of the massive cored shot which had lost velocity at afar more rapid rate due to it's inferior ballistic shape.  Since Fort Sumter was 4,290 yards from Battery Strong, the big Parrott was a superior choice for the battery.

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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2009, 03:33:39 PM »
DAY-YUM!!!  5 1/2 MILLION ft/lbs at the muzzle.  And I would imagine that it retained a good portion of the 1200 fps quite a way down range. 

Now, where did you get that information?  I googled several things and didn't come up with anything close to that. 

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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2009, 06:27:07 PM »
     Where did we get that information?  From 40 years of reading about such things. Can we give you a shortcut for all that info?  No.  What we can do is to give you a reason why we can remember these stats.  And please remember we are cannon makers, not professional researchers or research consultants.  So, as for the 25 lbs of powder or the 250 lb. shell or the range in yards, you can find those on any one of a half dozen good quality artillery sites on the net. 

     The 1,200 fps. can be found on the net, but, if we had the time, it would be easier for us to go to 4 or 5 of the 70 or so books on artillery that we have collected in the past 37 years.  We remember this because it is a part of an overall scheme which keeps the tables of fire essentially the same for every Parrott rifle.  The origin of that idea is unknown to us, but you can imagine how popular this system was in Army circles!  By actual range testing, the powder charges were adjusted (3.25, 10, 16 and 25 lbs. of BP) to allow a single, specific, elevation to obtain the same range with the 30, 100, 200 or 300 pounder Parrott rifle.  Don't know if this applied to the 10 pdr. field gun or not.  The muzzle velocity was very close to the same at 1,200 to 1,300 fps among these big rifles. 

     The 440 lb. cored shot for the Rodman Gun obtained an astounding muzzle velocity of 1750 fps with a 60 pound charge.  We remember this because it's so unusual for a huge gun to have this velocity level.  Also there was an article in the London Times of the 1860s or 70s which described the terrible effect on a 10" thick armored target of the best wrought iron plates.  "It simply vanished", astounded observers said.  Actually, only about half of the 4 ton target disappeared only to be found scattered like leaves in the wind at the 100 yards butts.  The target was at 25 yards.  The 24 pdr. seige gun will do it with 10 lb. charges, but over that size the vel. numbers usually go down.  As for the formula for finding muzzle energy, regarding the 5  1/2 million ft. lbs., we use the one that we both learned in Gunsmith School 31 years ago and it is:

                                          MASS (expressed in grains, 437.5 grains per oz.) X VELOCITY2 (expressed as fps.)
          MUZZLE ENERGY   =      ____________________________________________________________________
                                                                                        450,400  (reflects the new figure revealed by GGaskill)


   After checking my old gunsmith notebook. I find I made an error here and the denominator of 450,800 was not accurate and that 31 years ago we were taught to use 450,240 which George also mentioned.

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Tracy and Mike



         

     
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I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

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Re: 300 pounder Parrott rifle in Michigan park
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 03:43:46 PM »
The muzzle energy formula is the standard formula for kinetic energy (mv2/2) with a grains to pounds conversion and a weight to mass conversion included in the constant.  w is the weight in pounds, g is the gravitational constant which has the currently accepted value of 32.17 ft/sec/sec; it is used to convert weight to mass (m=w/g).  This makes the formula wv2/2g.  Since there are 7000 grains in a pound, the 450400 comes from the 2 (in the formula) times 32.17 (for g) times 7000 (grains per pound to allow bullet weight to be expressed in grains) which actually equals 450,380 but it is rounded to 450,400 for significant figures.  If you used pounds for the shot weight, the constant would be 32.17 times 2 (64.34).  Example:  250 lbs x 1200 x 1200 / 64.34 = 5,595,275.1 ft. lbs. 

The old value of the constant (450,240) came from a value of g equal to 32.16.  It turns out that the gravitational "constant" is not truly constant since it depends on where you are.  The "rocket scientists" who are responsible for such things have decided g should be 32.17 instead of 32.16 so the denominator became 450400.
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