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HMS Victory found
« on: February 01, 2009, 04:41:13 PM »
A US-based salvage firm is believed to have found remains from the wreck of a legendary British warship which sank in the English Channel in 1744

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7863840.stm
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2009, 04:51:08 PM »
See my other post topic about treasurequest on the discovery channel. This is the same crew that came across the victory while looking for the other ship they are looking for. Whether this will be shown on this years season I doubt it but will most likely be shown on next years season. The naval artillery they have been looking at is fascinating especially when they bring a gun up from the bottom to ID it.
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2009, 04:57:08 PM »
Yes, thanks for connecting this with your previous post!  I thought it interesting that the BBC was reporting it internationally.

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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2009, 05:11:58 PM »
When I first read the title I was wondering how the Brits. lost a hundred gun ship of the line!

glad to see it's another Victory it should be interesting to see what they find,
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2009, 06:13:34 PM »
It sank 50 miles from where it was thought to have gone down. This series is a very good one if you are into naval artillery. The last episode on thursday had a machinist cut up a food cutting board and cobble it into a bore measure on the end of a remote arm on a remote controlled underwater vehicle. Thats the stuff I like. IMPROVISE!
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2009, 01:03:00 PM »

       They just featured this discovery with video on Nightline. Show them pulling up a barrel with dolphins intact. This is an amazing opportunity to study photograph and understand some early artillery. I just hope that Britain does not drop the ball on this. I mean the guys that found it they are treasure hunters. British law for treasure found on land is that it is reviewed by experts then valued and the government cuts you a check. It sounds like Odyssey is willing to split the treasure. Maybe Britain could take there half and then by the other half. They would be making out better then the normal treasure payout law. I mean they were out there looking for the Sussex under a contract with the government. So I say strike a deal with them and bring up that history. Could you imagine a museum next to the victory with everything from the original. Just my .02

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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2009, 10:08:17 PM »
I sure hope they will bring up as much as possible of the remainings of it , but unfortunately this ship is in salt water so its probably nothing left of the hull and other woodwork . or at least not much of it as the ships worm lives in salt water , what could help here is that its in an relatively cold part of the atlantic and not in tropical waters .  but it will be extremely interesting to see the bronze cannons as its from such an large ship with 100 guns . most often when such large ships should have their weapons they used what they had at hand and most often it was a mix of domestic guns and trophy guns . its rare to find a ship of that age or earlier that got a uniform weapon systen onboard . one of the ships that had all the same guns was the swedish Vasa from 1628, thats extremely rare . whats even better with the Vasa ship is that it sunk in brackish water , there cant the ship worms live . so I would guess that its the absolutely best preserved wooden warship in the world of that age . most of the spanish galeons for example found in the caribeans and outside the us coast only remain some of their cargo , bronze cannons , ballast and some heavily rusted iron parts .
if you make an google picture searchfor VASA you will find a lot of pictures
Ive also found some nice movies on youtube .
its not often you can see an almost 400 year old original warship .
approximately 95% is original
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2009, 11:19:12 PM »
Odyssey have just releases a preliminary report on the Victory- astonishing photographs of the cannon and the remains. They must be congratulated for giving out so much information so quickly- and there's much for us to enjoy

http://www.shipwreck.net/pdf/OMEPapers2-HMS_Victory.pdf

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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2009, 11:57:26 PM »
wow , thats tons of info there
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2009, 12:17:07 AM »
 WOW !
  You guys pulled one on me..for some reason, I thought there was only one Victory (Nelson's, commissioned in 1759)   .http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hms_victory.
 
    It appears there were numerous ships named HMS Victory. Never too old to learn, I guess!
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2009, 04:13:13 AM »
Interesting. I wonder if some of this is going to be shown on this years season on the discovery channel. Figures 20 and 21 show the former galley cutting board that was jury rigged into a bore measuring device for the ROV. I like this program. Here in Michigan its on at 10 pm on thursdays followed by last weeks episode at 11
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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2009, 06:11:03 AM »
Let's see now, if they pull up 50 cannons, the salvor gets 25 (if any), the best ones sell for big money right away, maybe by about 2015 there'll be a small, damaged one I can afford!  I'll start saving my pennies now.

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Re: HMS Victory found
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2009, 08:52:34 AM »
there is no idea john , doesn't matter even if you are able to save 47 dollars until then  ;D
they will never be sold , the English government will keep them all and pay the salvage company for their job . it will be a new museum from this find  :'(
maybe we could go there and rescue 2 of them from the coming lifetime in a museum and give them a proper home instead  ;D
I got a good rowing boat , almost 12 foot long , do you think its enough  ???
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