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Offline Dand

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seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« on: January 16, 2009, 06:34:19 PM »
Hello,  A friend of mine had his house burn Thursday - everybody got out safe but much was lost.  His guns didn't get real hot as there were a number of plastic items stored in same spot that didn't melt.  But the guns are heavily covered in soot and probably exposed to some pretty hot steam when the fire crews put out the fire.

I volunteered to clean and store his guns while the family regroups.

I'm looking for advice on cleaning the stocks and if there is anything I should especially check out or clean up.  Any special cleaners to use or any advice at all.

The guns are mainly standard bolt rifles and a couple shotguns - nothing really special collector value except for a pre 64 win  70 308.

I don't think the fire crews used any special chemicals but I'll find out.

thanks

Dan
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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 07:53:28 PM »
The glass may take a big hit, but the guns will probably clean up with lots of WD 40 and paper towels or very fine steel woool.  Even good scopes may be OK, never know, good luck.   Larry
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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 10:11:35 PM »
thanks trotter.  On synthetic stocked 12 ga I started with hot water with dish soap. It took off a little but not near enough.  Went to lighter fluid on the stocks and that seemed to wipe off the soot pretty well. Tried Birchwood Casey, Sheath on the metal but its not solvent enough. Its like the vaporized plastics burning in house must have condensed on the metal.  BWC Spray Bore Scrubber seems to cut it pretty well and in some cases I used 0000 steel wool too.  Where moisture dripped on the barrels, it has taken off or stained the bluing - worry about that later. Right now I have all the bores well soaked in the Bore Scrubber for the night - hopefully that should neutralize whatever the stuff is. Tomorrow I'll wipe them down with Sheath, Rem Oil or something similar.  One gun was stainless  Ruger - its cleaning up very well but there is a bit of staining on barrel near the muzzle.

I'm still open for more suggestions. I did think about WD 40 but don't have any. Didn't think I wanted to go with PB Blaster. 

A Rem Nylon 66 receiver cover will never look the same unless a smith buffs it and reblues it.  Whatever got on that metal attacked the finish right now.

Seems like some of the gunk will wipe off the scope lenses, might try some alcohol there too.

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2009, 12:31:33 AM »
On the metal you might give "GoJo" or "Fast Orange" hand cleaners a try. The cream type without the pumice. I would avoid using it on the stocks until you test it. I have used it on a piece of machinery that was in a fire and it worked real well on that. Lay down some freezer wrap, get a round parts cleaner brush or about a 2" paintbrush and scrub. Follow with a HOT water rinse, blow dry then spray heavily with Kroil or WD-40. I saw you said you didn't have WD, but I'd get some. Or at least something that will penetrate and disperse water. CLP works OK also. I have found it works best when coaxed along with some brushing.
  I would get the solvent out of the bore and use Kroil in there also.
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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2009, 03:51:30 AM »
Get you a 40 inch piece of 3" pipe, a cap for each end & assemble as you would any pipe fitting. Drill a whole in the top cap to insert a holder (a piece of hanger wire will work) Fill the pipe with kerosene (or other solvent that can be bought cheap enough to suit you)  Strip the gun stocks drop the barrelled action intact in the pipe to soak for a while..

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2009, 04:15:08 AM »
Dont touch them,wait for insurance adjuster, My friend had a fire also and hired a company that figures every nail ,board etc and got paid for all guns as contents then you save them.Id wait you might of messed him up.

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2009, 05:00:02 AM »
normally, i try to avoid jumping in on insurance,however the last,implies  defrauding.everyone complains about their insurance rates and the last is a prime example of why they are so expensive.if they are salvageable it is the policyholders obligation to do what is reasonable and needed to mitigate the damage.if a company pays for an item they are entitled to the remains or if you will salvage. policys have limits and his may not be enough to cover the damage.incidently,policies provide for preserving the damaged items,ie;they will pay a reasonable amount for expenses,such as cleaning or oiling.i spent twentyeight years in adjusting from field adjuster to branch claims claims manager.our job was and still is to see that the person who suffers a loss gets paid fairly and to all policyholders in general to not over pay and cause rate hikes.the majority of adjusters want to be fair.insurance is like everything else some are better than others,but to me if we give the benefit of doubt to each other things usually go much smoother. my $.02 worth plus some.

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2009, 06:01:08 AM »
So you are saying dont wait for the adjuster to evaluate them? Actually I take offense about your comment about defrauding.The guns  obviously were bought back or awarded to the homeowner.  I think a independent company working for the homeowner on a percentage basis is a good idea as the adjuster might be overworked and miss something.Its hard for a adjuster to be qualified on everything in a home.
    One last thing are adjusters raises and pay based on a percentage they save the insurance company?  Im not trying to agravate anyone just having seen a fire recently i know its alot for everyone to live through.

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2009, 07:22:36 AM »
hmmm well guys, I didn't think about the insurance angles so much. I was trying to hustle to at least protect bores from any corrosive effects they might suffer.  Maybe insurance adjusters know how to evaluate a gun in the untouched condition, but my initial wipe downs of the outsides is revealing way more cosmetic damage than showed in the untouched condition. The steam and moisture dripping around the barrels (guns had been laying down) has really attacked the bluing but doesn't seem to have pitted or anything except on the Nylon 66 - it had already started to rust.

The scopes are pretty gooped up and I haven't done much with them.

Guess I'll run oil through the bores to neutralize the bore cleaner and such, then consult the owner. I think the adjuster may be coming today - the guy has to fly in from Anchorage I think.

Hope I haven't messed him up much.

I have NRA insurance on all my guns. Maybe I should consult with them on how to treat guns. Looks to me like the stainless gun will clean up near as new - just stinky.  The pre 64 m 70 looks pretty good too but really stinks.

I appreciate all the comments.

I'll hope we get a fair and reasonable adjuster.
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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 07:36:22 AM »
  The important thing is no one was hurt,the guns will clean up or be replaced.  Good luck.

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2009, 10:21:16 AM »
Try some FLITZ and a soft rag on the barrels and actions.  It should clean up anything that got on them.

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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2009, 09:19:43 PM »
Yeah Dean you have it right about the PEOPLE not being hurt.  We had just come out of 2 weeks of -10 to -25 degree weather and were on a wild upswing into the +40 range. So when the family scrambled out in just PJs they weren't subject to frostbite.  Then the day after the fire, it blew hard, to 60+.  Good thing the fire wasn't that day either - could have set the whole neighborhood on fire and who knows what to the house.

I removed stocks and wiped guns and bores with Rem Oil, and in some cases with Deep Creep, or PB Blaster where I found some rust on a magazine box.  Turns out some of the guns have seen some pretty rough duty already and weren't great cosmetically. Mostly I'm so glad the 308 was salvaged in very good shape as it was handed down from father to son and a year ago my friend's 18 yr daughter took a fine (48" or 52") inch moose with it (beginners luck). So LOTS of sentimental family value on that gun. I think if I just keep wiping them down, may try the Flitz, and 0000 steel wool, they should come around good enough.  Have to soak the slings and hope to get some of the stench out of them.


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Re: seek advice on cleaning guns from house fire
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2009, 05:03:40 AM »
I will call my friend and see if they used anything special to get the smell out.Maybe put a couple of slings in a mesh laundry bag then into the washer to keep them for tangling in the aggitator. then air out on a clothsline for a week or so.You can saddlesoap and shoepolish them later.. Goodluck