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Offline beerbelly

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Loaded some .45 Colts
« on: January 08, 2009, 01:53:31 PM »
with Unique powder. Man is that stuff dirty! After shooting 150 rounds my hands looked like I had been shooting my 51 Navy, with goex black powder. No complants about the way it shoots. It shot very well in both my My Urberti with an 18 inch barrel and my Ruger Old Army with a conversion cylinder.
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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 02:18:07 PM »
Don't understand what the problem is.  If it shoots well do what works.  When you shoot enough to have functioning issue, that's a problem.  I use Unique exclusively with my plinker loads.  In fact, have a few hundred through my Black Hawk without cleaning. A little "powder dirt" ain't going to hurt a thing.  I even believe you could put more that a thousand rounds through your revolver without a problem.  Any powder leaves residue, some more that others, but I don't get concerned if the load I'm using plunks the rounds where I want them to go.

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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 03:55:13 PM »
If the OP is concerned about the "dirt" - and why can't he be, it's his .45 - then he can try Unique substitutes like Universal, Power Pistol or Titegroup.  Note that these give similar performance to Unique in mild loads without the "dirt", but they DO NOT use the same loading data as Unique.


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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 05:08:47 PM »
It is not really a problem that the powder is that dirty. It is more of a surprise. I am new at loading and I  guess I thought all smokeless powder would be clean.
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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 05:56:29 PM »
20 years or so ago, I began loading for my 45 Colt.  I cannot remember all of the powders I started out with but I do remember that Unique was my final choice.  It shot well and loaded up some fairly heavy loads for a Ruger Blackhawk but I also found it to be dirty.  After about a year of shooting it with Unique, I got tired of the soot.  I looked up some similar loads in an old Lymann loading book and found some HS-6 loads.  Keep in mind that I'm loading for a Blackhawk and this powder may not be suitable for new model Vaquero's, Colt revolvers, replicas and other weaker framed revolvers.  Nonetheless, the HS-6 gave accurate loads with probably 50% less soot.  I have been using HS-6 for all these years since...near 20 years now. 

I have to say this however;  I shoot cast bullets exclusively.  In the past I experimented with jacketed bullets and found that the amount of soot residue is reduced to almost none when shooting jacketed bullets.  I've experimented with some loads with H-110 and other ball powders and found that they are slightly less sooty as well.  Nonetheless, I have come to conclude that most of the soot that I see all over my Blackhawk is not generally from the powder itself but rather from the lube on my cast bullets. 

I am not sure what type of bullets you are loading beerbelly but if you are loading cast bullets, try a few jacketed loads and see if the "dirt" is reduced.  If so, perhaps you won't be so disenchanted with the Unique powder but rather the bullet lube used on your cast bullets.  It bugged me for several years but I have come to live with it.  On trips in which I have taken my Blackhawk with me and had no time to clean it between shooting it, I have fired literally five to seven hundered rounds from it in the course of a few days and never had a problem with it caking up or having the performance comprimized.  In rare and extreme cases like this, I just keep it well oiled and wipe it off with a clean rag between shootings.  Most of the soot simply wipes right off anyway.  I've had this particular revolver for 20 years now and it is still in fine shape....of course, it's a Ruger Blackhawk too.

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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2009, 02:38:36 AM »
I am using cast bullets that I cast myself.  I am lubing with Lee liquid Alox. So far I have seen no trace of leading, so I can live with the soot. Like you said it cleans up easily.  I have some jacketed bullets I bought while waiting for my mold. I will try the test. Thanks.
  I am using the same in my NM super blackhawk .44 Mag. With the lite loads I am seeing no leading there eather. So I guess I will stick with the Unique. Hell , I bought 8 lbs. of it I'll be shooting it a while  ;D
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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2009, 03:09:44 AM »
if your shooting cast your not going to see a drastic improvement by switching powders. Bullet lube is what makes most of the mess and smoke.
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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2009, 04:21:12 AM »
Beerbelly, I've never seen any leading in my barrel or chambers either.  You'll have to get up to velocities near 1,500 fps to see leading.  I highly doubt that you'll ever load heavy enough to get that kind of velocity out of your 45 Colt and if you do, I suggest you re-check your loading manuals.  ;)    My loads are somewhat hot and my guess is that they're up around 1,100 fps according to my loading recipe data.  Since I'm not hunting deer or large game with it, 1,100 fps is plenty good for plinking and target shooting if not complete overkill.

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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2009, 09:16:22 AM »
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...You'll have to get up to velocities near 1,500 fps to see leading....
I suspect that several thousand readers of this forum will dispute that naive statement.  Using the wrong alloy or bullet size for the chamber throats or bore will cause leading at well under 1000 fps.



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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2009, 09:36:18 AM »
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...You'll have to get up to velocities near 1,500 fps to see leading....
I suspect that several thousand readers of this forum will dispute that naive statement.  Using the wrong alloy or bullet size for the chamber throats or bore will cause leading at well under 1000 fps.



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I stand corrected.  You are correct sir!  Pure lead bullets, soft alloys, and wrong sized bullets WILL cause leading at lower velocities as well. I guess I jumped the gun there (excusing the phrase) by assuming all other factors were correct and constant.  Thanks for the reminder and addition of those parameters.

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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 09:45:13 AM »
I love my 8.0 grain Unique load in the 45LC.  WLP primers and my cast bullets with Orange Magic lube.  My gun is blue and I have not cleaned it in a couple of years.  I don't appear to get the soot to which you are referring.  As mentioned by a wise shooter in an earlier post, it could be the different lube.  Could also be the primer and/or crimp.

Years ago I had some Red Dot left over from loading shot shells.  Loaded up some 38s with it.  Now there was some soot.......

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Re: Loaded some .45 Colts
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2009, 11:38:32 AM »
Like I said I am new at this loading business. Liquid Alox is the only lube I have tried. Not sure how much to use. I got 4Oz's with my sizing die. They said it was enough to lube thousands of bullets. Not the way I have been using it maybe a few hundred. Got to get up To the sporting goods store and get some others to try. Live and learn.
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