you guy's crack me up, Where we elk hunt we have a 2000 ft elevation increase within 2 miles of the truck,I'm using a sporter wgt 111gl .270,or my 8x57 turk mauser sporter,and wishin they both were were lighter, I killed a young cow (lung shot)at appx 400 yds with the turk this season,ansd it shoots approx.1.5 m.o.a. to me being able to get into position quickly,and make the shot from field positions trumps small m.o.a. groups every time.
Hank