Author Topic: just got my barrel back from remington . and really mad (Read 2320 times)

jimmybirdwell · « **on:** September 16, 2008, 01:41:29 PM »

I am so mad right now that i have to vent to some one .you poor guys. I sent my receiver in for a new barrel (.243bull ) and a new wood stock. Paid them good hard cash (check) for over 200.00 and what I got was no stock, a barrel that when fitted to the receiver has so much slack that it moves from side to side. and all this took 4 months. rimington is closed right now or I would be gripping to them. If this is the way that Remington (N.E.F.) is going to do business I ll never buy another thing from them...... In my opinion they just messed up the N.E.F. line and there own line (Remington's) line by buying N.E.F. and producing such JUNK. What do you guys think.
really pissed

jimmy birdwell
P.s. Is this what this country coming to. good company's building pure dee ol crap.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** September 16, 2008, 02:00:35 PM »

I think we're gonna have to patient with them until they get their act together. I wouldn't expect perfect service in the middle of a factory closing and moving of the entire operation to another state to be taken over by an all new to the product work force. They've done good work for others since the move, so you're the exception hopefully, but unfortunately. It certainly isn't anything that can't be fixed. Contact them tomorrow after you cool down and be civil, explain to them what happened and ask that they cover shipping(issue a UPS call tag) to have it shipped back and a new barrel fitted properly and get the stock you payed for, and maybe throw in something for your trouble like a stock upgrade or whatever works.

Tim

Swampman · « **Reply #2 on:** September 16, 2008, 02:24:19 PM »

"What do you guys think."

I'm tickled pink with the great service I got.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 16, 2008, 02:48:43 PM »

Call in the morning. They will fix the errors, it may take more time though.

Spanky · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2008, 03:32:42 PM »

And the saga continues...

With all the good reports coming in lately, I knew there had to be one out there somewhere.

Maybe you could show us some pictures of the "JUNK" you got from Remington.
Take some pictures of the gun closed with a feeler gauge between the breech face and the barrel to show us how loose it is.
Give them a call and find out where your stocks are.

Spanky

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2008, 03:43:37 PM »

Why anyone would want to send money and their receiver in to a company that is going through a move is hard to understand.

I can see that a person would be upset, but why put yourself through that sort of thing when you know that things are not going to be as they should be, at least for a while.

There is enough blame to go around, and some of it has to be on the company for not suspending the service at least temporarily, and on the person that took the chance, and ordered the barrel.

So it seems if you want to take the chance, then be prepared to play the games, and be aware that you will get very little sympathy here because most have heard the complaints, and rants, but where your rant will do the most good is at Remington.

Like someone said, it's worth not having to deal with all the hassle, and just go ahead and purchase a new complete rifle if time is important to you, and it won't cost that much more!

jimmybirdwell · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2008, 05:09:19 PM »

jimmbo , at the time that I purchased the new barrel , I did not know that Remington had purchased nef and it was only rumored that it was going to take place. I tried to get it in before it did take place . When speaking with the rep at nef , she said that I had weeks before Remington took over. I made the mistake of beleaving her. as per proof of the barrel problem, I don't need to prove anything to you or any one else. if I pick up a rifle by the rear stock and can feel and see the barrel move , there is too much damn SLOP in the barrel . do you want to try shoot in a rifle that you know the point of impact is going to change each time you shoulder the thing . I think not . Needless to say the Remington's or NEF experience has not been a very good one and I do beleave that you get what you pay for or you pay for it for a long time. I also beleave that if an AMERICAN co. purchases another AMERICAN co. , the quality of the product should improve not fault-er. When I out that Remington had purchased Marlin /NEF/h&r , I thought It would improve . I was wrong. Remington (if this continues)will go the way of the AMERICAN auto manufacture, too expensive and not dependable and the other countries will kick there butts. CZ for example. We cant let this happen . If you accept piss poor craftman ship and shotty business ethic ts than your part of the problem also. American sports men have always wanted quality and reliability. I accept nothing else.

Jimmy

Spanky · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2008, 05:39:32 PM »

Quote from: jimmybirdwell on September 16, 2008, 05:09:19 PM

as per proof of the barrel problem, I don't need to prove anything to you or any one else.
Jimmy

Forgive some of us for doubting you then.
Just wanted a picture so the rest of us know what to "look out for"

Maybe you could sell off your "JUNK" H&R here on the classifieds and finance your new CZ.
Happy shooting!!

Spanky

Busta · « **Reply #8 on:** September 17, 2008, 07:10:19 PM »

Sorry to hear of the problems, sure doesn't look good for the Big Green Team. Don't forget to cast your vote in the (dis)-satisfaction poll.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,150915.0.html

jimmybirdwell · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2008, 03:39:28 PM »

here's the latest about my problem. Called Remington to complain about the piss poor job that they did fitting my barrel and that they didn't send my stock. the out put was good though. they said that they would send me back all my money and send me the stock that I ordered. all good right. yeah. I can fix the barrel, and the stock I didn't care if I got one or not since I planed on putting one made out of bodarc that I made my self. But while matting my stock to the frame I noticed a pin seemed to be sticking out or even seemed loose. those so called gun smiths or fitter or what ever they call them self's have broken the pin that holds the latch. I doubt that they ever shot the thing and if they did they should have caught that.
Now I'm even madder than before. maybe I'm having problems with this and every thing else because it took so long to get it done (over 3 months ) or because of the hurricane that I'm now going through. But I'm tired of messing with this piece of junk. I was so mad that I screwed up my new Bodarc stock.
Personally I through with N.E.F. I will never buy another one. Yeah I'll go buy me a CZ and get away from this JUNK.
Like I said you get what you pay for and you pay for it a long time when it comes to N.E.F. .

You guys better watch Remminton with the N.E.F. / marlin buy out . Their product is going to KILL some one (n.e.f.) and I have doubts that Remming ton's quality will remain as high as they were. DAMB SHAME.

Jimmy Birdwell

Edited, selling in discussion forums is prohibited, post an ad in the NEF Classifieds.

Tim

NM Shooter · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2008, 05:43:09 PM »

To say that we must be patient with them while they get things up to speed is a pretty far stretch for me. I agree with the person who said that they should have suspended all barrel fitting until they were sure that the process could be done properly and in a timely manner. Coming from a service industry point-of-view, we usually only get one chance to make a impression on many people. I'm sorry that they lost a customer.
I am choosing to not send my receiver in for a barrel fitting until I am sure that their process is up to speed, and that they will not alter my trigger job. If they can't fulfill both of these requirements, I simply won't send it in.

Swampman · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2008, 11:31:07 PM »

Quote from: jimmybirdwell on September 19, 2008, 03:39:28 PM

here's the latest about my problem. Called Remington to complain about the piss poor job that they did fitting my barrel and that they didn't send my stock. the out put was good though. they said that they would send me back all my money and send me the stock that I ordered. all good right. yeah. I can fix the barrel, and the stock I didn't care if I got one or not since I planed on putting one made out of bodarc that I made my self. But while matting my stock to the frame I noticed a pin seemed to be sticking out or even seemed loose. those so called gun smiths or fitter or what ever they call them self's have broken the pin that holds the latch. I doubt that they ever shot the thing and if they did they should have caught that.
Now I'm even madder than before. maybe I'm having problems with this and every thing else because it took so long to get it done (over 3 months ) or because of the hurricane that I'm now going through. But I'm tired of messing with this piece of junk. I was so mad that I screwed up my new Bodarc stock.
Personally I through with N.E.F. I will never buy another one. Yeah I'll go buy me a CZ and get away from this JUNK.
Like I said you get what you pay for and you pay for it a long time when it comes to N.E.F. .

You guys better watch Remminton with the N.E.F. / marlin buy out . Their product is going to KILL some one (n.e.f.) and I have doubts that Remming ton's quality will remain as high as they were. DAMB SHAME.

Jimmy Birdwell

Edited, selling in discussion forums is prohibited, post an ad in the NEF Classifieds.

Tim

Ignorance knows no bounds.

jimmybirdwell · « **Reply #12 on:** September 20, 2008, 12:51:06 AM »

sampman, yeah I was ignorant about my handies But I sure am learning alot about them now. I have learned that it will cost you several hundred dollars after your original purchase just to get it to shoot constent 2" groups. it will cost you also in time as well as money and both I have little of.
I have also learned that you don't send your frame in to have a new barrel fitted to it by a newly acquired so so company bought by a large company that you HAD great respect for and expect to be satisfied by the outcome.
I have also learned that with all the money that I spent on this junk I could have bought a remminton bolt or ruger model 1 or even a Thomson and been hunting deer with it come 1rst of nov. instead of repairing apeice of junk that the factory cant get right.
Yeah I sure was Ignorant but now I know that if you get a handie to shoot you better Cherish it but don't trust it if you have a 250# bore hog cutting up one of your finnest squirrel dogs (chances are you are going to miss the hog and the hog is not going to miss your dog, I did).
You die hard N.E.F. fans sure must be a whole lot smarter than me but I am getting smarter, I,ll take my losses, learn from my mistakes, try to keep anyone else from making the same misstakes and buy rifles that have a better rep. than this junk.
I'm sure if you have plenty of money and time you could get a handie to shoot o.k. but I don't know that because I'm so ignorant.

jimmy

Swampman · « **Reply #13 on:** September 20, 2008, 01:10:31 AM »

Oddly enough I shot 2 new Handis yesterday that shot one hole groups. All I had to do was load and shoot. I struggled through it. Neither one had ever had a round down the tube. I did clean the bores prior to going to the range. In the .357 I was shooting loads made up using a Lee dipper. Even though they were crap loads, it shot just fine.

Nearly all accuracy problems are self inflicted(caused by the shooter)

Nothing wrong with a Remington, I love them. The Ruger (or the "Thomson") probably won't shoot as well as a Handi, but they will look pretty.

Some days you get the bear, somedays the bear gets you. I wouldn't be too afraid of a hog. If they injure you, it will be by accident.

jimmybirdwell · « **Reply #14 on:** September 20, 2008, 01:51:31 AM »

swampman, where are you from? I'm from Texas and we have some real bad hogs. Took over a 100 stitches sew up my dog. Finally killed it with a .357 mag pistol after I missed with a .243 handi .
to say that you are not afraid of a 250# bore hog with 4" razor sharp tusk that can cut your leg wide open with one pass by now that is ignorant. I dont know where your from but our wild pigs are crossed with rushen bore and pinny wood rooters both real bad.
You say that you shot two handies that shot 1 hole groups. I do not doubt you . You did say that one was a .357 the other probably a .45-70 or some other slow round.
As for your other comment about accuracy, I have been shooting since I was 6 years old I'm now over 45 and have several rifles that will shoot 5 shot one hole groups, all Remington 700's. .22-250, .221fire ball, .243 and a 7mm mag that shoots 3/4" groups at 200 yards. yeah I can shoot. I don't think its think its the shooter. Hell I have early model British 303 that groups 1 1/2" at 100 yards. I reload for each.
like I said , I think that it is the gun. No I know its the gun.
Jimmy

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** September 20, 2008, 01:58:05 AM »

Usually it's a combination of things. Hogs will sometimes run over you (or a dog) if they have no other option.

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #16 on:** September 20, 2008, 02:44:36 AM »

First of all...

"I have also learned that with all the money that I spent on this junk I could have bought a remminton bolt or ruger model 1 or even a Thomson "

Please show me where you can pick up a New Ruger No. 1 or a Thompson (with multiple bbls) for around $450.00.
I'll be all over that deal. Remington SPS or the 710 (or new equivelant) maybe.

Second...

" Yeah I'll go buy me a CZ and get away from this JUNK. "

Yes, CZ makes some very fine products that are VERY easy on the eyes. My 452 cz .22 lr (military training version 28"bbl) is the most accurate rifle I own. Being a big CZ fan I traded off an AR15 carbine and got some cash back on a 550 american .308w/ the 26" heavy bbl and walnut stock. Bought some Black Hills 165gr. Match bullets for it and mounted my bushnell banner 6-18 scope on it for grouping. The gun never shot a group under 1" With any factory ammo we tried. Sold that for another AR. So even a 500.00 CZ needs some coaxing and $$$$$ to get tiny groups.

And Last...
"Finally killed it with a .357 mag pistol after I missed with a .243 handi . "

Exactly how far away from the hog were you? I'm guessing that if you missed it from the .243 and killed it w/ the .357 pistol you couldn't have been very far away. Another problem that I have with that statement is that if this .243 bbl was so sloppy that you are afraid that it has saftey issues, why would you pick up the handi to begin with? You have already claimed that you have several rifles that shoot sub MOA. Why not use one of those? $:-\$

Sorry to hear about your dog BTW.

Sourdough · « **Reply #17 on:** September 20, 2008, 04:15:10 AM »

You know I keep hearing about all these people that have problems with their Handis. I took my 30-06 out of the box, put an O-ring under the forearm, mounted a scope and started shooting. Right off the bat 3 out of five shots would be touching at 100 yards. I could hit a 4" clay target at 300 yards, and a gallon jug a 500 yards. Barrel got stolen and replacement barrel shot the same. Bought an Ultra in .223, same thing.

Now my .35 Whelen shoots a 1" group at 100 yards with only the o-ring fix. And since I don't use the Whelen beyond 250 yards, I'm good with that.

I'm a happy Handiholic! I'd rather beat up a Handi than my TCR or Encore, Plus the Encore can't shoot as well as the Handi at longer ranges.

Then there is the one issue I have with them, they took a good hunting rifle and turned it into a bench gun. I don't own and never will own one with extractors. I am always running the risk of running into Dangerous game, therefore I want the ejectors. Without ejectors I will go back to pumps.

jimmybirdwell · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:04:19 AM »

singleshot sam, yes i was very close to the hog. Up a tree about 5 feet and the hog after tearing up my dog and me hitting in the gut while aiming for his head and charging me, was at the bottom of tree. about 5ft. The original shot with the .243was about 30-40 yards. The .243 was a ultra lite barrel and not the one that i received from the factory Tuesday. it is the one that has a broken latch pin (from factory) and 6 thousands slop (after replacing the pin from another gun that I own)That was bought to replace the very inaccurate 20" barrel. This barrel I can repair and I will . even though Remming ton says they well refund my money, I still have to get the slop out of the barrel before I can even shoot this thing too say the bull barrel is accurate or not plus I still have to replace the pin I robbed from my decent shooting .280.
BUY THE WAY DOG IS O.K. but runs away when she smells a hog.
Needless to say this experience with this rifle has not been a very good one.
The cost that I'm taking about is the cost of two different scopes, many different boxes of bullet and powders just to get it to hit paper at 100yds. The 200 + dollars that I originally paid for the rifle. the new stock and new barrel that was purchased and screwed up from the factory. I roughly figure this 200.dollar has wound up costing me real close to $700.00 more if you figure in your time. I hope that this will help some one that is thinking about buying a NEF . It could happen to you, now that things are so screwed up with NEF/Rem.
Thanks for letting me vent . If it happened to you , you would feel the same way.
Jimmy`

Spanky · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2008, 05:29:42 AM »

I'm glad to hear the dog is OK!!

Spanky

OR-E-Gun Bill · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2008, 06:32:27 AM »

Had to be a real confidence booster for your dog!

Good to hear the pup made it OK.

Bill

Dweezil · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2008, 01:59:12 PM »

Glad to hear the dog's ok, at least physically. What I still don't understand is why you would take a rifle you didn't trust on a hog hunt. You obviously know hogs can be dangerous.

jimmybirdwell · « **Reply #22 on:** October 03, 2008, 01:44:49 AM »

Dweezil, I was not hog hunting I was squirrel hunting with my dogs, the pup was only about 1 1/2 years old when this happened and she did not know about hogs like my other 2 do (she does now) . I had just come from the rifle range with this rifle, and it was the only rifle that i had with me at the time. It was on the gun rack of my 4 wheeler. the other gun was a 410 shot gun and I'm not going to risk a shot gun blast at a hog that is around my dog. I now carry a brit. 303 on the 4 wheeler no madder where we go on the lease or what ever we do on the lease. When she hit the hog I knew exactly what was going to happen (she is 1/2 Blue heeler a hearder and darn good squirrel dog) got off my 4 wheeler where I could get a clear shot . Had one and missed where I was aiming, gut shot it and it turned on me. I learned my lesson. This rifle has never shot well and has never been carried with me since.at the range it shot about a 4" group sometimes.
Jim

MSM · « **Reply #23 on:** October 03, 2008, 05:19:23 AM »

Well, I can see Jimmy's side. I acquired a .270 NEF in May with the hopes of being ready in November. I focused all my efforts on this rifle. I live in an apartment and like the NEF as they can be broke down and carried in a dry box or igloo. I can carry the rifle out of my apartment to the truck without raising the neighbors eyebrows. Two scopes, two sets of rings, four trips to the range and 99 rounds of ammunition found me with 200 yard groups averaging 7.5". I was in a lurch! So last weekend I got my Marlin guide gun out, crammed it into my dry box and went to the range. The rifle smallest group was an 1-1/8" and the largest of three, three shot groups was 2-3/4".
I will be fine this season, but I can't say it wasn't frustrating! I am sending my .270 NEF back for repairs with high hopes. If it were my only rifle I would be beside myself.

coyotejoe · « **Reply #24 on:** October 03, 2008, 06:47:17 AM »

Yes, he does have a point. From this site one would get the impression that all Handi rifles are tack drivers out of the box or can be made so by employing a couple of the tips in the faqs section. I have two H&Rs which have been through nearly all of the tricks, have tried out countless combinations of bullets and powders and have yet to do better than 3 moa on any consistent basis with most loads doing a lot worse. After a summer spent working with the H&Rs I pulled out my old M-70 Winchester just to check the zero before deer season and felt "what a pleasure to handle a real rifle", and that was even before I shot a group and found it still centered exactly where I zeroed it several years ago. I guess the key to success with the handi rifle is just buy them and sell them until you find a keeper.

chip-don · « **Reply #25 on:** October 03, 2008, 07:09:45 AM »

can anyone say if any of the new rifles in the stores are from the new plant and will there be any way to tell?

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2008, 06:19:33 AM »

Quote from: jimmybirdwell on September 19, 2008, 03:39:28 PM

But while matting my stock to the frame I noticed a pin seemed to be sticking out or even seemed loose. those so called gun smiths or fitter or what ever they call them self's have broken the pin that holds the latch. I doubt that they ever shot the thing and if they did they should have caught that.

I can't think of a reason for the gunsmith to be messing with that. Is it possible that they shipped the barrel mounted on the action and UPS managed to smack it hard enough to shear the pin?