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Offline jmayton

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110 accuracy degrading
« on: September 16, 2008, 02:44:42 PM »
I have a 110 30-06 that i've put 200-300 rounds through in the past 7 years.  it started off shooting great 3/4 - 1" groups.  But now its shooting about 1.5 - 2" groups.  A while back i noticed some bad copper fouling and cleaned it thoroughly with boretech.  I also shot a box of the Tubb Final Finsh through it.

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2008, 02:28:36 AM »
Personally I would never use Tubbs unless the rifle shot very badly and I had tried every thing else possible. I would think real hard about trading it off before doing that or getting a new barrel. Tubbs Final Finish has a tendency of eroding the throat. It sounds like to me that it needed more cleaning and then some shooting to foul it back up. Once a barrel is badly fouled up with copper, it takes a lot of cleaning to get it really clean. I go through several sessions with a foaming cleaner to clean mine. If it is really bad I first put some TM solution through it and let it soak for several hours and the use a nylon brush and scrub the heck out of it adding more TM every so often. I then run in a bunch of clean , tight fitting patches. Then run in the foam, letting it set for a while before patching it out and reapplying until clean. I do my cleaning indoors, so I like to avoid the ammonia type cleaners, but they work very well too. It sounds like you buy your ammo, not reload. Has the brand you are using changed over the years? You may have to try another bullet weight or another brand to get your accuracy back too. When I have a gun that shoots satisfactorily and the accuracy starts to drop off, the first thing I think about is a barrel scrubbing. If all else fails, you can buy an after market barrel and install it your self as and alternate to trading it off. Good Luck and Good shooting.
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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2008, 03:38:58 AM »
To date I have just under 750 rounds through my savage 30-06 and the accuracy hasn't changed at all.  With only 200 - 300 rounds through your gun I'd say that it's just now finally done breaking in.  I've never fired the Tubb bullets in mine and I don't plan on it.  You really owe it to yourself to try to clean the heck out of the gun.  I follow a same procedure as LaOtto222 in that I use the bore foam a few times after each use. 

Generally I take the bolt out and fill the barrel with foam, then I start cleaning the bolt.  Then about an hour later I spray more foam down the barrel and the old stuff comes out blueish purple.  Then about an hour later I spray more foam down the barrel and the old stuff comes out blueish purple but a little less.  Then sometime after I run an oilly patch through the barrel to get out the last amount of crud, then brush the heck out of the barrel, then more patches until clean ones come out.  Try that, then see how your guns shoots.  You can also do the same cleaning process substituting some Montana Extreame for the foam, or some other strong cleaner.

+1  Making sure your ammo is still the same too!

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2008, 04:12:55 AM »
I've cleaned the copper fouling out and the bore is clean.  The truth is, i've acquired a few now rifles over the past two years and this one hasn't been shot much and I think I forgot what bullet weight mine liked.  I've been shooting 165's but I seem to remember it liking 150's better.  Anyway, I'm getting a box of 150's and I'll see how it likes them. 

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2008, 04:52:04 AM »
Sounds like you've got a good plan.

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2008, 10:08:15 AM »
yesterday I cleaned the copper out again, then standard cleaning routine.  Got some 150gr Rem. Express and went to the range.  Shot 5 130gr handloads that I know it doesn't shoot well for fouling shots.  The first three of the 150's were touching and I fired one more after the barrel had cooled a bit just to make sure and it was a bit off of the first three but the group was still less than 1".  I went ahead and fired a few 165's just to see and they were about 2-2.5" apart.  Guess my rifle likes 150's. 

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2008, 03:49:11 PM »
You almost had a great chance to re-barrel it to something fun, like a 6.5x55.

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2008, 03:18:53 AM »
I have an encore 30-06 that loves remington 150gr bullets, doesn't like anything else I've tried though.  Then again being a 30-06 there's almost an unending supply of ammo out there in different weights and I wouldn't be surprised if a heavier bullet of a different make didn't shoot equally as well.   Sounds like you have your gun dialed in now.

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Re: 110 accuracy degrading
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2008, 02:46:29 PM »
Congrats on getting her figured out!