why is the 30-30 a must have

[coyotejoe]

Recoil is a subjective thing but if you feel your 30/30 kicks more than your .308 they must be very different guns with very different butts. You do "get more out of" a .308 but if "more" is more than you need then less is often just as good or better.

[tykempster]

I feel the 30-30 is way underpowered, however plenty of stuff larger than deer have been killed with it.

[quickdtoo]

I feel the 30-30 is way underpowered, however plenty of stuff larger than deer have been killed with it.

Yeah, a LOT larger, as has been said before, shot placement within the cartridge's capability is the key.

Tim

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[plumberroy]

I feel the 30-30 is way underpowered, however plenty of stuff larger than deer have been killed with it.

I thought like that when I was 16-30 years old . the older I get (46 now) the more I like the 30-30. Of course back then I needed a 12 ga pump to hunt rabbits and quail now the scattergun I use is a youth 28 ga H&R. The only animal in north America that I would hesitate to hunt with the 30-30  is the big bears.


Tim
  I have an old 157 H&R  with the barrel length fore arm in 30-30 A.I. I haven't lost a case fire forming  who ever did the rechamber went a tad deep and it has to be headspaced on the shoulder
Since we can't deer hunt with rifles I mostly shoot cast bullets out of it  113 gr cast @1100 f.p.s make one ragged whole at 50 yards 170 gr cast @ 1725 f.p.s. shoot inside 2 inches with a make shift rest at 100 yards, fire forming loads seem to hit what ever dirt clod on the back stop that needs shootin,
I really wish it was a standard 30-30 but I like the way it handles so unless I run across the same gun in 30-30 I guess I'll keep it
Roy

[quickdtoo]

Tim
  I have an old 157 H&R  with the barrel length fore arm in 30-30 A.I. I haven't lost a case fire forming  who ever did the rechamber went a tad deep and it has to be headspaced on the shoulder

Roy,

I reamed it myself, stopped cutting just as the rim cutter part of the reamer touched the existing rim cut. I have no complaints, it's super accurate and at a little under 2900fps, can't complain about the velocity either. I have no desire to shoot factory ammo in it to fireform or otherwise, so using 30-30 brass is pretty much a moot point, I have a 30-30 Handi that shoots the factory Rems great. 

Tim

[dodd3]

That would be true for rimless chamberings. Even on a rimmed round like the 30-30, shooting a round that isn't headspaced on the shoulder isn't good, I shot some of the factory Rems in it, they didn't shoot too good, but most importantly one of the 3 I shot split the neck. So I fire form using 375 Win brass after resizing in several dies to get there, it's considerably thicker than 30-30 brass. 

Tim

tim when i had my 30/30 AI i had the same truble, but beat it by using un primed factory brass and annelaling the necks  and a low charge to fire form them using a plinker load with a hornady 100 grn short jacket bullets no more split necks,the 375 was not out when i had my 30/30 AI.
Bernie

[quickdtoo]

Thanks Bernie, I only shot some factory ammo in it to see how it did since a true ackley chamber should be able to use factory ammo, but after seeing more than 300fps less velocity, can't see why anyone would want to unless it was in a pinch, lost their ammo or whatever. Accuracy was just acceptable with a 2" group.

Tim

[fastbike]

Hey Stimpy, have you ever tried any of the 110's that are available? I haven't loaded any yet, but thought they might make a fun 30-30 load for lighter "targets".

I took one of my Handi 30/30's to Ok for a P-dog shoot using some of my loads with the little 90g JHP's that Hornady makes for the M1 carb. and was very pleased with the outcome .

The Handi 30/30 will shoot just about anything you feed it from 90g to over 180g , from mild to wild and everywere in between .

That and they are fun . 

stimpy

[canon6]

Fastbike, in regards to the various 100-110 gr for the 30-30.My wifes 30-30 does not shoot groups with either, rather it prints patterns.Her 30-30  does like the 170-173 grain cast.Using GC we are able to get north of 2000fps, and downloaded it make a great plinking load.   hth    Doug

[Tallwalker]

If you wanted to fit the brass to a slightly deep chamber perhaps you could run the brass through an 8mm die to expand the necks a bit first, then size the cases till the action just closes easily on them ala Contender practice. I fit some 22 hornet cases that way, and they have lasted a long time. (didn't use the 8mm die to open them obviously) That forms a small secondary shoulder that the case can headspace on.