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Offline CoffeeInMe

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How can I tell....
« on: January 20, 2008, 04:52:21 AM »
how used a gun is vs what the seller says (like 100, 200, etc...rounds through it)?  Say for example a Marlin .22 Magnum bolt action. Is there a website to tell me serial numbers to tell how old the gun is ? What should I look for ? Any help would be appreciated.

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 04:34:50 AM »
Hope this helps.

Marlin year of manufacture maybe determined from the following list of letter/numeral prefix's to the serial number; this coding only applies to serialized rifles:

1946-C
1947-D
1948-E
1949-F
1950-G
1951-H
1952-J
1953-K
1954-L
1955-M
1956-N
1957-58-R
1958-59-S
1960 (August)-1961-U
1961 (August)-1962-V
1963-W
1964-Y,-Z
1965-AA
1966-AB
1967-AC
1968-AD, -68
1969-69
1970-70
1971-71
1972-72

Starting in 1973, the year of manufacture maybe determined by subtracting the first two digits of the serial number from 100:
Example: SN 2512345 would have been made in 1975 [100 - 25 = 75].

For Marlin Rimfire Rifles [non-serialized]:

From 1962 thrue 1968 Marlins rimfire rifles (other than the 39 series lever actions) used a two letter date code that was stamped on the barrel. This date code is different than the one already listed, as Marlin rimfire rifles (other than the model 39 series) did not have a serial numbers until required to by Law after 1968. The first letter of the date code represented the month of manufacture while the second letter indicated the year. This date code was usually stamped on the left side of the barrel just in front of the receiver. The first letter of the date code is as follows:

A = Jan.
B = Feb.
C = Mar.
D = Apr.
E = May
F = June
G = July
H = Aug.
I = Sep.
J = Oct.
K = Nov.
L = Dec.

The second letter of the date code is as follows:

F = 1962
G = 1963
H = 1964
I = 1965
J = 1966
K = 1967
L = 1968

So a date code of "JK" would indicate that rifle was made in October of 1967.

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 09:08:31 AM »
Otherwise, look for wear.
A rifle that still looks like new *most likely* is still pretty much now. Those that look a bit abused are just that, abused. It's very hard to use a rifle a LOT and keep it looking "perfect" little knicks and scratches seem to just sneak up on you.

How clean the rifle is, condition of all moving parts, etc...look it over well.
if it hasn't been shot much/at all you won't see much wear on the moving parts. Check the take-down screws and such for markings--rifles than have been taken apart multiple times will typically show tool marks on the screw heads.

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 09:39:06 AM »
check the hammer , firring pin and crown along with what bscman said , if either the hammer or pin look battered or worn watch out , if the crown has damage also look out !
but also is the crown worn from cleaning or excessive shooting ?
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 10:28:58 AM »
Thaks guys.  I just added this post to the stickies/faq post. 
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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 02:02:23 PM »
Thanks for all the help. I looked at one that was really worn out but cheap on price. The other was too expensive for what I could buy a new one for. Since I dont have a lot of experience buying a used gun I have elected to buy a new one. I did save the manufacturer date codes in favorites. I think it will be a better idea to buy new since I plan on keeping the rifle for a very long time. I can easily see how important it would be to know what to look for when buying a used gun where values way exceed what Im going to be buying.
Thanks again.

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2008, 07:15:55 AM »
Used rifles can be a GREAT way to save some money and get a great rifle--espeically rimfires...but just like you said, you have to know what to look for.

More often than not, general appearance will give you the best idea on the age or how well the rifle was cared for. Aesthetics will also drastically affect the value of the rifle. I've found some ugly rifles at great prices in the past...with a little cold blue, parkerizing, etc. and a little sanding and finish on the stock they can turn into great looking, fabulous shooters for little money. Many older rifles are very accurate, and often have quality wood stocks (walnut, mmm).

I'm a pawn shop junky...I love to fequent various shops in search for rimfires. More often than not, you can buy some great rifles for under $100. The nice thing about .22lr's is their basic design. The majority of rifles on the market use the same, or VERY similar actions and feed designs. Basic bolt action rifles are pretty simple to diagnose problems...since semi-auto 22lr's are blowback, fault diagnosis is quite simple here as well.

With the recent introduction of great finishes like duracoat, refinishing can be quite simple.

I think you made a great choice buying NEW for your first rifle. Learn how it works, where it wears, and what problems are common with rimfire rifles. Once you've got a little experience here, it makes buying used rifles MUCH easier. In the mean time, you've got a new rifle with customer service and a warrantee to back you up if any problems arise.

One this is for sure, if a seller is feeding you a story that seems to good to be true...more than often, it is!

Enjoy!!!!

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 04:29:09 PM »
It's very hard to use a rifle a LOT and keep it looking "perfect" little knicks and scratches seem to just sneak up on you.

There is nothing like a good, honest, hunting rifle  :)

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 07:55:28 AM »
ain't it funny a guy will spend $ 40000.00 on a truck and drive it thru. the woods and scratch it up but won't take a $ 500.00 rifle ?
but it to shoot !
If ya can see it ya can hit it !

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2008, 10:26:38 PM »
Seeing as how guns and rifles were built to shoot that is what I do with the regardless of their cost.

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2008, 07:57:20 AM »
Shoot it.  Mee tooo.  If I can't shoot it, I don't need it.  I look at a lot of rifles that are just georgous, fabulous workmanship, but they don't make them for me.  When I get to the point that I don't think I could shoot it or hunt with it, I won't own it. 

I don't buy gold plated Craftsman wrenches either, but I do like their professional series and own and use them. 

If I had a Kimber, I'd shoot it.  But, I wouldn't shoot one of those nice Blaser 95 Stutzen rifles, so I don't expect to own one.

EJ

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Re: How can I tell....
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 05:54:17 PM »
 same here .. just sold my sig 9mil.. to big to conceal and id decided i didnt like the reception i got from country store owners when i wore it on my hip..they just didn t talk or shoot the bull a bit .. one stayed where he could reach what ever gun they had for robbers..so it was stayin in my drawer but it was gonna get traded or sold as i dont keepum if i don t shootum or use them for ccw..i ll let collectors do that ,,i just have fun w mine..to each his on .. slim