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Offline Shawn Luther

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Anyone here Shooting a 25-06 15" TC Encore?
« on: June 28, 2003, 03:18:28 PM »
I was just wondering if anyone has worked up a load for this particular gun that they were happy with.  Looking for something in the 120grain range, 2900 fps without thinning the cases.

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2003, 09:18:06 AM »
Shawn,
since most rifle data for this round, with 24 or 26" barrels, only attains 3000fps with the 120gr bullets, you probably will be VERY dissapointed with your velocity if you want 2900fps from a 15" barrel.

If you're a handloader, you'd likely be better served by the .257 Roberts in a 15" barrel, maybe even the Ackley Improved version.  The 25-06 is an overbore cartridge in a rifle length barrel.  The extra powder capacity over the .257 Roberts in a 15" barrel will most likely provide a negligible increase in velocity and a distinct increase in muzzle blast and recoil.

I shoot a .284 Winchester in a 15" XP-100 and can attain 2900fps with a 120gr bullet at maximum pressure.  The case capacity of the .284 and the .25-06 are very similar.  The larger bore diameter of the .284 and the shorter case (like adding a little barrel length) are at the maximum pressure to attain the velocity you want with the 25-06, so I don't think it will be to do it at safe pressure levels.

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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2003, 01:22:44 PM »
Yes but what if you already had the 25-06? :roll:

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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2003, 01:44:25 PM »
Shawn,
I'm not trying to dissuade you from the 25-06, it's a good cartridge.  I'm just saying that your velocity goals may not be attained.  I'm hoping you're a handloader, becasue you will be able to tailor your loads to your pistol this way.  I would start with three powders in load development, these three powders should span the burning rate.  One of the slower powders, one of the medium, and one of the faster powders.  From my experience with a cartridge of this capacity in a pistol length barrel, I have had good luck with IMR4350.  H4350 might be a better choice to try because of the new Extreme technology that Hodgdon is using.  I would narrow your bullet choices to those that you intend to use, if you want to use it for hunting, limit your bullet choices to effective hunting bullets.  If deer size game is the target, I would start with the Nosler Ballistic Tip.  The BT's have worked very well for me at handgun velocities.  Your best efficiencey will come with the heaviest bullets for this round, at least that's what I would think from past experience.  I'm sure you already know this, but make sure you use the proper primers for the cartridge, which would be large rifle.  Some people try to use large pistol primers in rifle rounds because they are being fired from a pistol, this is wrong.  Your chronograph will be one of your most valuable tools for determining which powder burning rate is best for this cartridge.

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« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2003, 05:57:48 PM »
I have an Encore 25-06 15 inch factory barrel and have had good luck with it.

I use IMR 4350 and 115 gr nosler balistic tip.

I have shoot two deer with this barrel and cartridge both last season.  
one at 140 yards and another at 30 yards.   Both rounds passed thru animal with exit larger than entrance.  

Read several (more that one at least)  loading manuals and work up a hand load gradual like.   I would not recommend this cartridge/barrel combination without handloading.  I am sure other powders will work well but I have had good luck with IMR 4350.

You will need range time to be prepared for hunting, do not skimp on this, you owe it to the deer.  

Do you plan to scope this barrel?   I would as it certianly is a long range gun.  I have Bushnell elite 3200 handguns scopes on two of my Encores (second is a 223 remington).  I also have a 50 cal 15 inch muzzle loader that I will be giving my undivided attention soon, in prep for next seaon.

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« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2003, 09:06:24 PM »
Shawn,
in line with the advice from Happy Hunter, I would suggest you follow his lead on this, as he has actual experience with this particular round.  His reccomendation, with actual experiences, is almost the same as I told you based on expereince with very similar rounds in pistols.  I assumed, always dangerous, that you would be scoping this barrel.  A 25-06 pistol with iron sights would be no more useful than a 44Mag because you'd never be able to kill anything with it, unless you're a far better shot than about 99.99999999999% of shooters using any pistol with iron sights.  Take the lead with this and look at your loading books, I know they cost money but so does factory ammo, there is plenty of loading data available online for free.  www.imrpowder.com, www.hodgdon.com, etc, etc.  The data on these, FREE, online sources may not use your exact bullet, don't be afraid of it for these reasons.  This is why we work our way up and look for pressure signs, and pressure signs are the reason you should buy a good handloading manual if you don't have one already.  I suggest the Hornady manual for a very good explanation of what you need to understand for successful reloading, as well as a very good idea of what headspace is all about.  Reading a good manual a few times is cheaper than your health insurance deductible.

See if Happy Hunter will give you some good load data, without holding him responsible for his advice, to help you along on your quest with the 25-06.  Always work your way up to max loads.  Use the bullets you would hunt with, the time spent jacking with cheaper bullets and trying to get meaningful data (accuracy, velocity, pressure signs) will cost you far more than just shooting the bullets you intend to use for hunting rather than some that are a little cheaper per box.  Practice, practice, practice: it's how you become a good shot with a firearm of any kind.  Shoot off the bench to develop accuracy loads, shoot off your hind legs and any good rest you can think of to become a good field shot.

To determine how far away you should shoot at game, you can use the paper plate technique, or what I like to do:  Milk jugs filled with water or colored water.  If you can hit the plate or a milk jug, EVERYTIME, at a certain distance, you can count that you'll kill a deer at that distance.
I'm partial to the milk jugs because they are more fun and I have no problem coming up with at least ten of them a week in my house.  I know a scoped Encore or Contender is a load to shoot offhand, but you should practice it anyway, you never know what shot opportunity you'll be presented with, and it's good to be prepared for it.  You'll be able to make a good offhand shot with a scoped hangun to at least 50yds if you practice.


Good luck. :)

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2003, 09:34:19 PM »
Here's my 50 yard off-hand shooting..The one on the left is my Encore 16.5" 300Mag pistol six shots the one on the right is my 14" .444Marlin Contender nine shots.
                       

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2003, 04:55:00 AM »
Thanks for the tips.  Happy Hunter, the gun is scoped with a Burris 2-7.  No factory loads have been run through this gun.  It is actually my father-in-law's gun.   The gun is very accurate and consistent at this point but the cases are getting very thin after 2 loads, sometimes cracking.  I'll give him your advice on the IMR powder ad 115 gr nosler.