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Offline bluebayou

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barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« on: November 10, 2007, 09:42:50 AM »
I have loaded H4227 in two Handi barrels, 357 and 44 Mag.  Both has shown light pitting after being left dirty for 2 months. 

I know....."clean your rifle" will be the response from some people.  I see more inconsistency in POI from clean barrel to fouled barrel than from heating. 

This wasn't a problem with factory ammo in the 223 or 308 barrels.  It has never been a problem with H4895, Varget, or H4831. 

Any theories?  The pits are where unburned powder or soot has stuck to the barrel or throat.  (I guess I could just run a dry patch through?)

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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2007, 11:21:41 AM »
H4227 shouldn't pit your barrel at all.  If you're sure that there wasn't any problem before using it, then I would get in touch with Hodgdon.  Have the lot number of the powder handy.

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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2007, 01:17:08 PM »
Could it be your primers???
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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2007, 01:29:05 PM »
I have used a lot of H4227 and it has never pitted a barrel.
My handle does not have the word bayou in it either. I live in a area of moderate humidity and I also run a few patches of Hoppe's through everything after shooting.

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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2007, 07:43:23 AM »
  I suspicion the "pitting" is unburned powder residue. If your storing your barrels dirty and in a non climate controlled environment, The partially burned powder, and unburned powder residue is probably drawing moisture which upon drying and then re hydrating over a period may cause a stubborn "stain" in the bore.
  I would at least pull a dry patch or bore snake through them after a shooting session, or get some desiccant packs to store with them.
   I'll bet a Dollar to a donut a little JB's will remove those "pits" in short order!
   Another thing I have noticed is, if you happen to be using a hotter primer in your reloads than the manuals call for, it can make various smokeless powders leave a more stubborn fowling. Check your primers! You can get in real trouble pressure wise real quick using the wrong primer!
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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2007, 08:06:57 AM »
Try some Flitz and keep them clean and oiled. Dale
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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2007, 11:52:23 AM »
when you are done shooting run a well-soaked patch with penetrating oil on it through the bore.   it will break down some of the powder, but will not thoroughly clean the bore.   i do that for a few shooting sessions with my Handi' to leave it fouled for the same reason you do.    BUT, i do anoint the bore with either wal-mart generic penetrant or remington's aerosol with teflon in it.

you can't leave a bore unprotected like you are doing for any length of time and count on it handling the moisture in the air.    i even anoint my stainless steel rifles for that reason.

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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2007, 03:43:31 PM »
Just as an additional caviate, If you leave oil in the bore, be sure to run a couple of dry patches through it before shooting it!
   Excess oil or any lubricant in the bore or chamber can cause a barrel or chamber to bulge!

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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2007, 04:16:55 AM »
Just as an additional caviate, If you leave oil in the bore, be sure to run a couple of dry patches through it before shooting it!
   Excess oil or any lubricant in the bore or chamber can cause a barrel or chamber to bulge!
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Re: barrel pitting question #2---why does H4227 pit my barrel?
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2007, 12:12:04 PM »
Dale- The key word is "excessive". Even though oil is a lubricant, too much (way too much) can cause pressure build up. A little snow in the muzzle can cause pressure build ups too, even though it is not heavy or packed tightly. My brother for some unknown reason stuck a 12 gauge into a snow bank then pointed it up and pulled the trigger. The snow was not packed in very tight, it was fluffy, about 3" of it, I am guessing. There was a noticeable bulge right behind where the snow plug started. He told Dad that he fell and did not notice the snow in the bore, I know better. I use Kroil in my bores. After a through cleaning, I run 1 wet patch followed by 1 dry one. It still leaves a little oil in the bore, but not so much that it runs back into the action or that would cause pressure build ups. It is not even enough to cause a POI change, just a very light coat. I have been using Kroil in my bores for some time and either Rem Oil or Break Free on the outside, if there is a better alternative, I would like to know. I really have not had a problem, but always looking for some thing better.
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