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.300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« on: July 31, 2007, 03:59:24 PM »
I don't see the .300 WSM so much as a magnum as just a better 30-06.  It even equals or exceeds advertised 30-06 ballistics  when shot out of a short barreled rifle.  I load mine to 30-06 "lite mag." ballistics & it makes a good woods deer rifle without the 26" tube of the .300 Win.Mag..  If I'm so inclined, I can load it up until it hurts my shoulder, too.

Are there other 20" barrel .30 cal. rifles that can boast this versatility?
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2007, 04:20:44 PM »
It is a good round & it is not going anywhere, but the ballistics alone is only part of the picture. We have seen MANY good rounds over the years that never become as popular as their ballistics would suggest. No, I believe the 30-06 of the new millenium will be the 30-06.
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2007, 07:03:36 AM »
 The 30-06 for the new millennium will continue to be 30-06, look for the 300 WSM to become the 6.5mm rem Magnum of the new century
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2007, 10:27:31 AM »
Quote from: jcn59 on July 31, 2007, 03:59:24 PM
I don't see the .300 WSM so much as a magnum as just a better 30-06.  It even equals or exceeds advertised 30-06 ballistics  when shot out of a short barreled rifle.  I load mine to 30-06 "lite mag." ballistics & it makes a good woods deer rifle without the 26" tube of the .300 Win.Mag..  If I'm so inclined, I can load it up until it hurts my shoulder, too.

Are there other 20" barrel .30 cal. rifles that can boast this versatility?

Yep,a 20' 30-06 carbine.We've used one since 1962 when remington brought out the 700. ;)Now I've never even shot the 300wsm or any of the newer short mags,and never will.Just no reason to for me as I have all the rifles I need.Now a young fellow just getting his feet wet may think different. ;D
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2007, 10:47:18 AM »
I had a couple 742 Rem Carbines years ago.  They worked fine, but they don't match advertised '06 ballistics.  My 21" .300 WSM exceeds them, if I want.  While none of us need another .30 Mag., the .300 WSM makes a heck of a 30-06 class round that really shines in a short barreled rifle!
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2007, 12:55:12 PM »
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the .300 WSM makes a heck of a 30-06 class round that really shines in a short barreled rifle!

So does a 300 Win mag ???
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2007, 01:26:20 PM »
Sorry, I must have overlooked that model.  Who was it that made that short barrel .300 Win Mag. that you are referring to?

Oops....I just measured my .300 WSM & the barrel is actually 22"...longer than I thought.
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2007, 05:24:58 AM »
The 300 WSM is a good cartridge, no doubt about it.  I think, however, that the '06 does about 95% of what the WSM will do and do it generally at lower pressure.  The '06 is probably the most nostalgic round in North America and because of its war, hunting, and target history will always have lots of fans that love it for more than just ballistics.  Just based on ballistics, the '06 is always a good choice for almost any North American hunting and a lot of African hunting too.  If you load up an '06 with RE 22 and a 180 grain bullet you're likely to get over 2800 FPS with a 22" barrel.  The 300 beats that by maybe 100 to 150 FPS (with more recoil) but as O'Connor (or somebody like him) said "I doubt the Elk will tell the difference." 

Go to any rural supply store in South Africa, Namibia, Australia, or Germany or just about anywhere else and you'll find 30-06 ammo on the shelf.   The 300 WSM?  Not so much.  The '06 has way too much of a head start and the 300 does not offer anything radically different for it to ever eclipse the '06.
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2007, 01:03:33 PM »
What are these "ballistics" you speak of?  I can only assume you're refering to velocity - cuz that's the only thing the mag has on the -06.

A 168gr .308 dia bullet poking along at 2800 fps will get you a MPBR out to 300 yards.  That's more than 90% of big game hunters will ever need, certainly myself included.  Not to mention, the lower velocities will yield deeper penetration (monolithic bullets excluded) and more forgiveness when selecting bullets. 

No, when I need more gun than the -06, I will pick up a larger bore - not more velocity. 

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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2007, 01:55:55 PM »
How do the shorties handle a 180gr bullet?  Or a 200gr bullet?  To say nothing of a 220?  When hunting where there there are mean, toothy things afoot, a light for calibre boutique bullet at hyper velocity isn't what I would want.  Rarely have you seen someone recommend using a Swift for culling Cape Buffalo.  And if doing it as a stunt, I'll guarantee you he had someone with a small cannon at the ready off camera.
I think the 30-06 is good for another 100 years.  Unless the .300 Winnie takes over.  Or folks wake up to the real potential of the .280. :D
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2007, 04:07:03 AM »
I don't want to get into a contest with anyone.  I haven't owned a 30-06 in years and powder change etc and I know afew guys that hunt with them.  I own acouple custom 300 wsm and with Barnes 168gr TSX in one rifle I can get over 3100fps other is high 3000fps and I'm sure I can down load it to 30-06 velocity if I want.  I do agree maybe the 200 plus bullet wouldn't be the best choice for the 300wsm but I don't think the 30-06 would be either.  I was looking at Hornady reloading manual 6th edition and they had a max velocity with a 220gr bullet in the 300wsm at 2650fps and 30-06 at 2500fps.

The last couple of years I've been wanting a good 30-06 to go along with my 270 and if I get one I'll fully understand I'm buying a 30-06 and not a 300wsm.
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2007, 05:41:12 AM »
The Jamison family and their lawyers families hope so.
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2007, 05:45:24 AM »
Nope won't be!
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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2007, 06:05:40 AM »
I think the 300 wsm really shines in certain applications and does well in many other areas. The best use in my opinion would be in a true short action, light, short barreled bolt rifle. Operating a bolt on a true short action rifle is very interesting and quite handy. The 3006 is great and will never be replaced, but the 300 wsm is an excellent alternative in a smaller bolt rifle.

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Re: .300 WSM - the 30-06 of the new millenium ?
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2007, 06:27:58 AM »
Uh oh, pass the crow.  I should have checked my reloading book (the Lyman 48th is the only one I have that is current enough to include the 300WSM) before putting my mouth in gear.  The shortie outdoes the '06 by a couple of hundred feet per second with 200's.  At the price of awesome pressure.  I still think the '06 is good for another 100 years tho.  :D
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