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Offline JayAK

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« on: June 22, 2009, 07:19:03 PM »
I am new to cannons...

What sorts of munitions have been used with cannons through history?

Pictures links would be great!

What sorts of munitions do you all use now that are both legal and safe?

Pics and links would be great!

Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2009, 07:28:26 PM »
First, check through the stickys, there is a lot of good information there.
As for munitons, that is kind of open ended. Sort of depends on the gun, the range, and what you want to do. ASnd maybe where you live.

Golf balls, bowling balls, cans filled with concrete or lead.  Cast or turned projectiles.

I sent you a PM with some links.
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Re: munitions
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2009, 07:35:27 PM »
Thanks!

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Re: munitions
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 01:51:08 PM »
I am new to cannons...

What sorts of munitions have been used with cannons through history?

Historically for 19th century smoothbore: solid shot, common shell, case shot, cannister, grapeshot, bar shot, and chain shot.  Generally speaking all of these examples were made of iron.  Lead was used for some types of cannister and as shrapnel in some types of case shot.
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Re: munitions
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 02:12:10 PM »
One Inch and smaller cast lead.  Larger, Cast zinc.

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Re: munitions
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2009, 02:21:21 PM »
Anyone have any pics of their home brew munitions?


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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2009, 04:10:33 PM »
Yep sure do...








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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2009, 04:39:26 PM »
Did you make those molds? That is very cool.

Can you reuse those balls if you can find them or do you have to remelt and cast them?

Where is a good place to get lead wheel weights?? a scrap yard?

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Re: munitions
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2009, 05:19:02 PM »
Sort of depends on the gun, the range, and what you want to do.
Golf balls, bowling balls, cans filled with concrete or lead.  Cast or turned projectiles.

     If you should get yourself a small bore cannon someday, like 1" to 1.5", you can have lots of fun with turned ammunition as mentioned by subdjoe above.  We have some experience with making and shooting this type of ammo.  We make and fire solid bolts only, never any explosive shell of any type.  This keeps you legal and lets you go home with all your body parts intact after a day of pleasant shooting.
The captions with the photos describe some various types of bolts you can make on any small lathe, even the very small hobbiest 7" X 12" bench lathes which are available for $500 or sometimes less. 

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For the 1/6 scale, 1.067" bore rifle that we make, 100 Pdr. Parrott, the front row shows some special bolts we turned for penetration  experiments.  The body on all is 12L14 steel.  They all have a .020" thick expanding skirt. From left to right you can see the 12.5 oz. bolt with a hardened 0-1 tool steel core, then there is a 7.5 oz. bolt with a old 1/2" gage pin core, then a 5.5 oz. bolt with a solid tungsten carbide core.  Penetration in mild steel, boiler plate was, L to R,  2/3 of a .750" plate, completely trough a 1/2" plate, and .712" deep into a 1.00" plate.  The rounds in the back are target ammo which weighed 7 oz. +/- 10 grains avoir.




This is what the 12.5 oz. bolt looked like after impact at 20 feet.  Charge was 1 oz. of BP.




The bolt holding the GB up is a 9 oz. Brooke, bronze, ratchet sabot bolt.  We use brass for bronze and 12L14 steel for the wrought iron.  These are very accurate, producing 5 shot groups of 2 to 3 inches at 100 yards regularly.




A look at the "milled base", Brooke style, expanding skirt that we turn for the Parrott any Brooke rifles we make.



Finally, our most recent bolt for the Brooke with sawtooth rifling after penetrating 1" of boiler plate.  It has an S-7 tool steel body hardened to 55 on the Rockwell 'C' scale and a soft 12L14 turned sabot. 




The effect on target.  The plug on the ground was actually from the boiler plate ejected by the bolt's displacement action.




A pic of the bolt and the powder charge used in this Maximum Proof test underground shot at the 1" thk. steel plate.  This test fixture would win the ugliest cannon contest every time, but produced spectacular results on the target.  Estimated muzzle energy was 16,000 ft. lbs.!


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Re: munitions
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2009, 05:25:32 PM »
Wow great read and even better pics! :o