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What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« on: January 19, 2007, 05:04:15 AM »
What is up with all the dull flat , satin finishes on the walnut stocks  these days?  No flashiness , nothing that shows off the beauty of the Walnut.
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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2007, 05:12:21 AM »
Ahhh it's all supposed to be the fashion and of course it's probably cheaper  ::) just like the Matt finish to the metal work, a quick blast over with a Bead Blaster and it's done  :-\, no real polishing which of course means it's alos cheaper. However the marketing department advertise it as a bonus and follks are falling for it hook, line and sinker  :-\ ???

Personally I like a real oiled finish to the wood and traditional gloss blacking to the metal work  ;D and yes I know it can reflect but I have never had a problem with that when hunting  ;). I have a couple of rifles which have a quite high gloss oil finish and a couple that were export models so have the high gloss which was so popular in the US. One of these at least will need to be re-finished as it has a few scratches and that has led to the finish lifting. I will add that this damage was down before I acquired the rifle. t present I am debating what finish to go for  ??? it will not be a varnish like it is right now. The question is which type of oiled finish shall I replace it with?

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2007, 05:30:38 AM »
I prefer an oil finish.  Back when all Remingtons had the bowling ball finish, I would special order a "eurostock" on my rifles if I could.  I think that is one of the reasons the Remington Classics did so well was the understated stock. 

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 06:02:50 AM »
High gloss finishes are preferred by some, while others prefer a dull, satin finish.  I prefer an oil finish because it is easier to maintain than other finishes. A stock with an oil finish can be kept looking good for many years by raising dents and occasionally applying another coat of oil. Also, an oil finish can be either high gloss or satin - whatever you prefer. If you want a non reflective finish, which I prefer and many hunters like, rub down the final coat of finish after it dries with a mild abrasive to cut the shine. That's what I do. I use extra fine steel wool. I've found applying paste wax, which I do when hunting in wet weather, will make the stock glossy. After the hunt, a minute or two with steel wool and it is dull again.

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2007, 06:44:48 AM »
Practicality. A shiny flashy stock is a detriment to hunting and to my eyes doesn't even look all that good anyway. If i take a gun hunting I want one with no flash or at least as little as possible. Now when I take one to the target range as I do my shotguns then plenty of flash is fine. But NOT on my hunting guns.


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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007, 10:07:19 AM »
Hmmm strange indeed from the replies it seems that more people who answered like a traditional Oiled finish  ;) and only Greybeard sees that as a hindrance to using the rifle for hunting.

Now if you look at this photo of my Brno 601 Standard on which I stripped off the plastic type finish applied at the factory as I find it slippery when wet and applied an Oiled finish using a Wharthog Purdey's stock finish kit( sadly no longer available  :-\).





As you can see it's come out like a Best London Shotgun stock and is shiney. Yet is has in no way hindered my hunting with it and it was with this rifle chambered in .308 Win that I took my first ever Deer  :).

  Now this BSA full stock had a factory oiled finish which I enhanced using Phillips Walnut Oil preparation:-



The finish whilst not as glossy still has a shine to it  ;D.

It's rifles like this which cause me a dilema  ??? it's a P-H 1200V made for export and has a high gloss finish which appears to be some sort of polyurethene finish which I detest with a passion :-



    The finish has some scratches and the finish has lifted from a couple of these  :-\ so I would like to strip it off and apply an oiled finish. If I do that I will have to go for a high gloss one to maintain it's original looks and as I cannot decide which way I should go I have left it alone for now. The recoil pad was a new one which had not been ground to fit the stock and the LOP is too long with it so I have obtained a slimmer pad and now I need to get it fitted as I do not have the facilities to do that here. Once I talk to the local gunsmith I will then have to decide which way to finish the stock. If I strip it it will make it easier for him of course as I can apply the finish after he has fitted the recoil pad.

     As for shotguns  ;) well I use them all for everything from Clay busting to vermin shooting. Both rifles and shotguns were designed and built to be used and that's what I do regardless of their cost of value. As has been stated with a oiled stock it can always be added too to cover slight scratches and deeper ones can be steamed out then the oil applied to bring the stock back up to spec  :D.

    Much to the Local Police's charigin I do not want a gun just for the "Target range" much prefering to have the choice of any of my rifles with which to hunt with  ;D also if we use the word target as it's true meaning anything we aim at is a target  ;) regardless what it's made of. Paper, Wood, a result or live quarry. They are all "Targets"  ;D

     My own personal opinion is it's all to do with cutting costs with the new factory rifles coming out with matt finishes  ::) and I also think it's the driving force behind the burgeoning amount of synthetic (plastic) stocks being  put on new factory rifles. Due to very clever marketing and advertising they have persuaded buyers that this is a good thing however once a mould is made and paid for making plastic stocks is very .................. very cheap but like in the auto industry they charge a small fortune for them  >:(.


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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2007, 06:37:39 PM »
I like the looks of satin & matte finishes.  I have owned rifles for over 50 years.  Always have preferred that look.  No marketing campaigns or otherwise influenced my opinion.  I am not attracted to the gloss and high polish, but I don't feel the need to criticize it.  Whatever people like is up to them.  I have friends that like the old "Weatherby" look - I like simpler, more subtle design and finish.  Many very fine custom rifles with exceptional wood are finished in satin with matte steel.  As far as synthetics being a product of cheapness - most all of the major production rifles offer us a choice between walnut, synthetic, and laminated with accordant price differences.  I think it's great to have those choices and I own examples of each - chosen for different reasons.  So what's wrong with that?
Getting back to the original question - "No flashiness, nothing that shows the beauty of the walnut", I think many people don't want the "flash" (I don't), and that the satin is a warmer finish that does make the wood look good. 
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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2007, 06:45:05 PM »
I for one am glad that the "california pimp rifle" look pioneered by weatherby is now going out of vogue.  I much prefer a satin finish on my gunstock.  Look at any of the "best" quality shotguns from London over the past century and you won't find the shiny oil finish like the above poster's rifle, but rather a finish with an understated sheen, almost a glow.  Likewise with the metal finish, a good rust blue doesn't shine, it's got kind of a dull glow with a lot of depth to the finish, not the mirror like finish of remingtons from twenty years ago.  The mass manufacturers haven't got it perfect with the synthetic satin finishs and bead blasted hot blue metalwork, but for the most part it looks a heck of a lot better than the stuff they were churning out in the '70's and 80's.

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2007, 10:37:06 PM »
Glossy stocks are high maintenance items.  It all comes down to how much you get them in the woods and how long they sit on the rack or in the gun cabinet.  Having a glossy rifle in the woods can be a detriment, if you are out after sly, old game.  For a show piece gloss is probably preferred, for a practical piece, it is not.  Just walking through brush or thick woods is enough to keep a person from hunting where the game is when worrying about the finish of the rifle.

My rifles can sometimes take a beating, depending on the weather.  I have been rained on, I have been snowed on, I've had my bolt frozen shut and the sights covered with ice from freezing rain. I go out dark to dark if necessary.  Glossy stocks do not fit my style.  I have never been attracted to glossy rifles because I don't feel the need to worry about every little scratch or ding.  When I get done with a rifle you can believe it was well used and is worn out.  I have a 35 yr old .22 that was my first gun purchase.  I used that rifle alot.  Right now it really looks like a piece of crap, but it still performs.   What's it worth  today?  Probably about $50, if I ran into the right guy.  On the other hand, I have rifles that are used and still look brand new.  Not 100% though.  Sometimes I come back from a hunt and find a ding or scratch on the stock and wonder... "When did that happen". " Oh well..."

If you like those high gloss rifles, I have no problem with that.  It's your money to spend how you see fit.  All I can say is that those fancy Weatherby looks aren't for me.  Although I do admit that a fine piece of wood with a high gloss finish does look fantastic when it brings out the 3 demensional aspects of the wood.  But in the field, it is too much to worry about for both predator and prey.  IMO.  I know I will never run into someone with a high gloss finish where I go hunting.  As a matter of fact, I'll probably be another mile in so when a deer sees the glint from his rifle, it runs into me.

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2007, 02:49:21 AM »
I've got to agree with Brit on this one.........

To me, fit and finish is an indication of quality.......I love a rich deep polished blue, fine hand cut checkering, detailed grain and a nice finish.

I regularly rabbit hunt over hounds using a Beretta 686 with a high gloss finish..............my hunting buddies remark "Are you really going to take that in the field"?  "It's to pretty to hunt with"......

Well, I do hunt with it, and the finish is much more durable than most would expect.

This same gun is used regularly at the sporting clays range and has many, many rounds fired through it......

My long time hunting buddy seldom does any maintenance on his shotgun.......most of the finish is off and because he leaves it in the top of his dog box it usually has a certain amount of rust on it........

In his situation, a nice gun won't stay nice......

On the other hand, I always wipe mine down with an oily rag before putting it in the case for the day........wipe it down again when I get home, and clean it regularly........I wax the stock a couple of times a year........His looks old......mine still looks new......

Funny, his truck has faded paint......mine still looks good after 11 years.....funny what a wash a wax will do to preserve a finish....couple that with regular oil changes and....well....you get the picture......

I guess the comment I'd like to make is yea, I your willing to put a little extra effort into maintenance, there is no reason a nice looking gun won't stay nice looking.......

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2007, 03:27:56 AM »
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  Look at any of the "best" quality shotguns from London over the past century and you won't find the shiny oil finish like the above poster's rifle, but rather a finish with an understated sheen, almost a glow.

     Hmmm quite strange although I cannot afford the likes of Purdey, Holland & Holland or even William Powell & Son however I did have a very nice English game gun made by A. J. Russell of Maidstone in Kent. A small provincial gunmaker it was No2 of a pair made prior to WW1 from the proof marks. The action once Colour case hardened had been polished to a "Coin Finish" when it was overhauled and the barrels tightened on the action face.

    Oh darn it I have not got any full photos of the stock  :-[ must have lost them with that worm attack a couple of years ago  ::) The Shotgun was traded off for a rifle and some cash as I don't use a shotgun much and have a couple more but here are a couple which hopefully wil give and idea of the finish :-





 The gun is of course a 12 Bore Ejector and had 30" barrels with 2 1/2" chambers as was the vougue of that time  ;) one of my other shotguns is an old Cogswell & Harrison SxS 12 Bore NE whihc funnily enough also has ashiney finish to the stock which was on the wood when I acquired it years ago. It has only had a small amount of Stock Oil rubbed in every year or so to maintain the finish and protect it from rain etc  ;). Oddly enough I have never taken any photograph of this plain shotgun ............... hmm must rectify that at some time  :).

     The Oiled finish on Best Guns improves over time with the added attention which such a stock finish is given over the years. Once a year or after the gun has got very wet and then dried tatally a small drop of BLO or stock oil is rubbed into the wood. Hardly a chore nor a hard thing to do however it will over time deepen the shine on the wood.


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Glossy stocks are high maintenance items.  It all comes down to how much you get them in the woods and how long they sit on the rack or in the gun cabinet.  Having a glossy rifle in the woods can be a detriment, if you are out after sly, old game.  For a show piece gloss is probably preferred, for a practical piece, it is not.  Just walking through brush or thick woods is enough to keep a person from hunting where the game is when worrying about the finish of the rifle.

    High maintenance??????? not that I have ever noticed  ??? Now I wonder how specticle wearers get their game after all they have two very shiney windows on the eyes and even if they wear cammo from head to foot those shiney windows are still there yet it does not seem to stop they from getting their game ............................. does it? I hunt with all my rifles, gloss oil finish and deep blacking on the barrels and actions  ;) and yet that does not cause me problems.



Now this rifle which is fairly new the oiled finish on it has not acquired the gloss which it will in years to come. The metal however has a deep gloss black and is highly reflective the Roe Doe was shot and about 60 yards and was one of two Does which at one point had been about 15 feet from me. The came in from behind whilst I was watching fro the group of Fallow. The rifle was lent against the Beech tree I was using as cover from the Fallow Deer, the reason that shot was taken at 60 yards instead of 15 feet was simply that I didn't have the rifle in my hands and once the Doe saw me move slightly they ran up the hedge row about 60 yars before stopping to look back and as I have a nice clear shot then I took it  :). The rifle is a one off Bespoke rifle and is the most expensive rifle I have. Chambered in 30-30 Winchester with handloads it's very accurate even in my hands and using 130 Grn Spire Points at about 2800 fps it's also very effective  ;D. but as you can see it's used in the field, the Doe was shot on Dec 4th 2005.

    Now I must agree with victorcharlie that what some call "High Maintenance" is just normal cleaning. I have never used wax polish on my stocks althoug I have just re-finished a single barreled 12 Bore BSA shotgun which looks like it's never been shot. The stock was dry so I oiled it with BLO then gave it a light rub down using 800 grit wet & dry then I used a new stock finish kit which as a small ti of wax in it. I may try it on this BSA as it's likely to stay unshot. It's part of my BSA collection  ;) and how often does one find a 47 year old shotgun which has never been used?

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2007, 04:03:10 AM »
Hadn't thought about the shotguns much as this started about rifles, but VC got me to thinking.  I do like a bit of pretty on my upland and clays shotguns.  I have a Winchester 101 pigeon grade for clays and upland, finished in satin and matte.  Had some "shiny" ones too, but always preferred the duller tones.  Some of the "shiny" ones were gorgeous though, and no, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to keep 'em nice.  I used to be a Browning Auto 5 shooter for my duck hunting, which came in several variations of gloss and polish over the years, but man, real duck hunting in Illinois River muck can be tough on a nice looking shotgun.  Now for ducks I use a Ruger Red Lablel target grey with synthetic stock.  Pretty - no.  Very durable, fits me perfectly, patterns and swings great, and I can keep my hulls.  The synthetic stock has nothing to do with cheapness - it is my preference for this use.  My second duck/goose shotgun is an 870 Express 3/12" - bead blasted and synthetic.
No, I won't criticize nicely finished shinier guns, some look really nice to me.  I just generally prefer the softer tones and in some applications, the more durable finishes and materials. BH you do have some nice looking guns there.
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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2007, 05:15:41 AM »
I like the nice luster blueing, not that really well polished out blueing. It's in the polish of the metal prior to blueing as I understand it. I also much prefer oil that's satin finished. I don't like high gloss. Just re-finished a 700 BDL stock in tru-oil and the last coat was applied with 0000 steel wool rubbed in to cut the shine and wiped off while wet. Wood looks ok to me! The poly finishes I don't like at all. As for cut checkering, I can't afford that. What I used to do was cut the factory pressed checkering with my own checkering tool and that turned out well.
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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2007, 01:00:46 PM »
I agree that high gloss finish isn't good for Hunting. I think almost all my rifles have that high gloss finish. It hasn't efected my hunting at all but I keep the rifle more or less out of sight while hunting.


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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2007, 01:03:58 PM »
Being a Browning fan I have read tons of threads where the poster complains about the high gloss finish that Browning Uses and used to use on almost everything

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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2007, 01:53:41 AM »
Hi All,

      Actually it's the not gloss which I do not like about poly or plastic type finishes. It's the slippery feel. An oiled finish is more tactile and even a smooth shiney oiled finish has grip. That is why I stripped off the factory finish on the Brno 601 after hunting in the wet it was very slippery  :-\. Also the oiled finish seems to bring out the grain showing more  ;D.



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Re: What is with all the dull finishes on the gunstocks now?
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2007, 05:57:11 AM »
Most of my rifles are stainless/synthetic, but as for my wood-stocked rifles, all of them have high gloss finish.  Very pretty rifles indeed - almost too pretty to take hunting.  As for flashy glossy stocks not good for hunting, I can agree with this in certain instances.  However, one instance where I don't think it matters at all is if you are hunting from a box blind.  I guess that a shiny blued barrel may reflect some light when it sticks out of the blind, but I don't seem to have a problem as most game that I spotted, then aimed, and then shot, all dropped dead and never noticed a reflection.   Again, theoretically, I am sure that shiny barrels and stocks may reflect light and spook game, but, in my personal experiene, I have not had that event arise.

That said, there are certain rifles, in certain cartridges, that I prefer with an oil finish.

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