Author Topic: Anti-Hoarding Laws (Read 6404 times)

Victor3 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 02, 2011, 05:08:46 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on February 27, 2011, 05:59:25 PM

It limits households to only 1 weeks worth of supplies...

I don't think my family and I could ever have more than one week's worth of supplies no matter how much we hoard..... uh, I mean 'stock.' We eat a lot during emergencies.

powderman · « **Reply #31 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:33:23 PM »

I never knew there was such a thing as hoarding laws. In bad weather it's not uncommon to make do for at least a week or 2. Our car quit and we got it back last Friday, we went without a store over 2 weeks, a neighbor did pick up some fruit and a newspaper for us though. I can understand a law like that to keep the greedy from hoarding in an emergency, but not for anybody wise enough to plan ahead. POWDERMAN.

ironglow · « **Reply #32 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:42:41 PM »

For folks who don't know enough to prepare for such emergencies..folks who don't understand thinking beyond tomorrow morning.
Rather like the "earned income tax credit" ! How someone who doesn't work hard enough to pay taxes..get some of what others have paid. bad enough the govt takes from the rest of us to give to those who don't think and save..but then they call the free money...."earned income"...never could figure that one out !

Sounds too much like liberal/leftist "newspeak" !

teamnelson · « **Reply #33 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:55:29 PM »

Quote from: Matt3357 on March 02, 2011, 08:01:03 AM

Kind of OT question but related. Was Robin Hood then good or evil for robbing the rich and giving to the poor?

Matt

Evil. Do not return evil for evil.

We have a fascination with the underdog in our society; I think there's a new book coming out called "UnderDogma." We worship the notion that those who have more are evil, those who have less are good, and those who fight for fairness (even if their methods are unfair) are righteous. Its a false god.

Victor3 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:15:51 AM »

Aside from stocking basic life-sustaning supplies, at least where I live those of us who keep even minimal junk around are often looked at sideways. Not talking about rusty cars in the yard, but on occasion when I've invited another white collar dude into my garage I've often heard something like "Uhhh... no cars in here, eh?" I'll admit that I have more "stuff" than average (various chunks of wood/metal, coffee cans full of bolts, tools more at home in a factory, etc.).

There's probably no need for a law prohibiting hording of building/repair supplies. Ask the average 20-something guy today if there's an app for his iPhone that will provide materials and knowledge to build an outhouse after an earthquake. We're mainly teaching younger folks to rely on fragile technology for much of what they do. Lord help them if a former Boy Scout isn't around during an emergency.

Scibaer · « **Reply #35 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:59:21 AM »

well here in michigan, we get some bad weather from time to time. and of course it follows that the weather service, the local weather news anchor and most 'old timers' all say, some thing like " be sure to stock up, if you need to stay indoors for a while " ..
then comes along the city and starts to fine people who break the hording law in some way .. to many cars, for pets or whatevers laying about.. im sure it all sounds familiar to you all .. sometimes the government whether it be local, state or feds, just need to pity-patted, paid recognition to but ignored, for the well being of family, life and liberty. in this case, hording laws. stock pile the wood and supplies you need, keep it well hidden, keep your mouth well shut and go about your business.
that my take

Rex in OTZ · « **Reply #36 on:** March 04, 2011, 12:40:57 PM »

If you work for a wage its fair your reinbursed for your labor in currency, you exchange that currency for produce, its still your earnings that you earn from the sweat of your brow wither it was money or property, A government bent on takeing a guys earnings and redistributeing them is what them Germans/Italians/Japanese did as far back as back in 1934.
The whole idea of lets have double standards is bad business, its all good till ya hit a rough patch so what the hell lets throw out the rule book?
It's a foot in the door, its some chickens, its your tractor, its your cows, then they cuff yer kid to do some ditch digging, next they get a little lonely so they requisition your wife and daughters to brothel the workers, sounds like taxation without representation.
guess some folks never heard the fable of the Ant and Grasshopper.

ironglow · « **Reply #37 on:** March 06, 2011, 01:53:41 AM »

Quote from: hillbill on February 28, 2011, 02:29:53 PM

well what if i have 20 cats i plan to use for food? or 20 cows, rabbits, etc?

Hillbill;
That's not too outrageous for some, see here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/11/gary-korkuc-found-marinat_n_678319.html
Found the article, after a search..on Huffington Post..looks like they are "having kittens" over it !

This "snoop into your life & home" stuff happens whenever liberal/socialists gain power. The quintessential "control freaks", there are likely no depths to which they will not stoop..

Hooker · « **Reply #38 on:** March 06, 2011, 04:40:32 PM »

When the Government comes for your stores or your neighbors stores fight them to what ever extent is necessary to keep them taking what is yours .
If your neighbors don't back your hand when you are finished with the G men take your neighbors stores and run them off.
If you don't someone else will.

Pat

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #39 on:** March 09, 2011, 08:39:26 PM »

Quote from: TeamNelson on February 28, 2011, 09:17:34 AM

We're not talking a single piece of legislation, but layers of Executive Orders over the past 100 years that culminate in the most recent empowerment of FEMA to take over in a national emergency, with powers that suspend Constitutional protection. Several states have additional provisions (like Hawaii) for local enforcement. At the federal level, however, some of the wording opened the door for national seizure of crops, mines, wells, etc. on private land. In HI, for example, the express limit on how much a citizen can lawfully hoard in his home is not defined in the text of the statute, but in the committee notes which is included with the statute to guide enforcement by designated authority. That does not exclude canned, or jarred produce from one's own garden, nor livestock or fish. We're playing the odds right now against a major hurrinami; we're overdue per the cycles. If a reasonably predictable level event occurred in our State, we'd be out of food in 2 weeks apart from home supplies, and the only way to bring more in would be by ship or plane. If it were more than just a local event, we're on our own for the duration.

Looks like our constitution has been overthrown by executive order. All they have to do is create the right emergency. If they can find it they will take it.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #40 on:** March 10, 2011, 07:12:55 AM »

+1 farmboy. Any type of unrest could be that excuse. I would hate to think that I would let someone take my private property away without a fight. If it looked like I was going to loose, I might burn it all. None for me = none for you.

Living in HI could well yield an abundance of traditional foods. If you live near the sea, you can be fed.

charles p · « **Reply #41 on:** March 10, 2011, 09:58:13 AM »

Hurricane Issabel cut Hatteras Island, NC about seven years, so that the village of Hatteras was isolated from eveyone else. The highway was severed, water, electricity, telephone and cable TV were all cut by a new inlet. The ferry landing to our south was damaged as was the highway on the next island. We were stranded. Hatteras Inlet shoaled up and had to be dredged.

Without regrigeration and no way to make ice, the food supply goes quickly. Without water, sanatation becomes a factor. Fortunately the Army barged over a large generator and MREs. In no time, the army began cooking hot meals and a contractor brough two trailers with showers. Ice and water were delivered daily. We were humbled. Some families lost everything in the storm.

The county tried to protect us from fly by night repair operators. Access to the island was limited to property owners, residents, employees, and insurance adjusters for almost a month. Of course food trucks began coming by ferry. The Bud truck was here before milk and water shipments. Budweiser even donated canned water.

I learned to bath in a hotel swimming pool and I left my bar of soap for the next person, since he might not have one. We had no crime. Everybody came together and helped the less fortunate.
There was nothing to hoard. We ran out of nearly everything.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** March 10, 2011, 10:05:27 AM »

Wooden box elevated so wind can hit it covered with cloth and kept wet , or known as a Hatteras Island refierator is what they used before they had Ice and elec. It works as evaporation is refigeration .....

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #43 on:** March 10, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »

Quote from: Matt3357 on March 02, 2011, 08:01:03 AM

Kind of OT question but related. Was Robin Hood then good or evil for robbing the rich and giving to the poor?

Matt

Depends on what version of Robin hood you were taught.
The 1970's Robbin Hood that stole from the rich merchants to redistribute the wealth to those that had none. (commie Robin Hood)
Or the Robbin Hood of olde that Stole from the government for over taxing the people and gave back (forced tax rebate) (Tea Party Robin)
Tea Party Robbin Hood= Good Commie Robin Hood = BAD.

Team Nelson-
Until some one is charged with Hoarding I think the law is moot.
What is the difference between bulk buying and storing over Hoarding? And does Hoarding apply only to business and not the individual? If you were a 7-11 owner and heard of a looming disaster can you close the store and keep all the Jerkey, water, and hotdogs for your self? Or is that Hoarding?
Also at the same time if you have 3 weeks worth of food and fuel in your house before a disaster who is going to know? Who will know during the disaster? Other than you clothes will still fit and you will be able to sweat with the fresh water you have.
At the time of a disaster the local, state and federal governments will have other things to think of before they look to see who has supplies and how much.
Also what is to say a weeks worth of supplies? I am guessing we all eat and drink different amounts during the week based on activity and size of the person and climate.
MRE's I look at them as one a day, the army looks at 3 a day. Vast differences in what a week supply is.

zeke08 · « **Reply #44 on:** April 13, 2011, 07:28:08 PM »

I also believe in defending what is yours and not telling everyone what you may or may not have. The nation is so worried about our youth falling behind other countries in science, math, technology etc. that teaching basic skills that have been used for centuries to build nations, sustain life ,and help mankind are being lost at a alarming rate. I say learn all you can from true woodsmen, trappers, farmers, blacksmiths etc the old heads that made this country great!

Victor3 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 13, 2011, 08:56:32 PM »

Amen to that.

I learned a lot from my Dad. Electronics engineer by trade but 'shade-tree' everything else; gunsmith, machininst, welder, auto mechanic, carpenter, plumber, etc. He knew (an DID) more practical stuff than anyone I've ever known.

I'd sit and listen to him at night talking on his ham radio to guys all over the place, often picking their brains about something or giving others info on technical stuff I had no clue about. A pre-internet chat room.

Guess there is something to that "Greatest Generation" thing (Pops was in the Navy through WWII).

quasne.inc · « **Reply #46 on:** April 14, 2011, 01:16:37 PM »

Pat/Rick here in Idaho it is a well known joke that in times of trouble all you have to do is find a mormon to rob:) One told me one time that the reason for their stores is that when people run out of food the mormons will require them to convert to mormonism before they feed them. Don't know if it is true or not.

For whats its worth, I am Mormon and if a disaster hits and you need food and come and ask I am more than willing to share what little I have. And I dont expect anyone to convert to my faith for me to help them. But whoever decides to try to take my food will be in a world of hurt.
Ask and ye shall receive, take and ye shall receive a lead salad. Sorry all out of ranch dressing.

powderman · « **Reply #47 on:** April 14, 2011, 02:23:28 PM »

quasne.inc. Good post, I agree. I will and have given most anything I have to those who need, but don't try to take it by force. POWDERMAN.

Pat/Rick · « **Reply #48 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:18:10 AM »

quasne, may be a joke outside of idaho as well. One of my SIL's family is mormon, as well as my wifes brother. I truly admire the LDS for their self reliant stance. Self reliance to me is responsibility for oneself and their family. My family was poor when I was a child, we never missed a meal, but sometimes it was kind of slim. Yeah, I like a full pantry. Helping others? If I could I would, family comes first. If an event scenario looked short term, yes,I would help others. Even when we were poor, Mom would make P&J sandwiches for the hobos and vagabonds that would come by when we lived near the tracks. Long term? Be best to stay away. Hoping to plant new orchard next year. That wil help bait deer and bear, unfortunantly, it would also attract miscreants in dire times. I have enough projects for this year, so it looks like a chicken house will be next year as well.

ironglow · « **Reply #49 on:** April 15, 2011, 04:41:11 AM »

Quasne, PM, Pat/Rick..you have it right..
Self reliance with charity...and speaking as an evangelical Christian..charity should not have "strings attached".

quasne.inc · « **Reply #50 on:** April 15, 2011, 06:15:22 PM »

I concur Ironglow. I dont think it could be called charity if there were strings attached.

Richard P · « **Reply #51 on:** April 28, 2011, 11:26:42 AM »

Remember all this if you are ever selected to sit on a jury. Laws are not always ''right''. If it were your ''peers'' in the jury box what would you want them to do ?

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #52 on:** April 28, 2011, 12:15:52 PM »

I think the term is so ambigous that anyone that buys at Cost Co, Sam's Club, or the bulk section of thier local super market can be charged.
if I use a roll of paper towels a month and buy the 8 pack am I hording?
I often buy a whole Joint of meat and butcher it my self into roasts, steaks and stew meat. if it is more than a weeks worth of beef am I hording or bulk buying?
I think you would have to do something very strange to be called for hording and charged.
I think Profiteering would be a more likely charge in the times of emergancy where you are selling bottles of water for $5 each to people that were unprepared for a disaster.

Lost Farmboy · « **Reply #53 on:** June 01, 2011, 11:09:42 PM »

The laws are on the books. When the emergency natural or man made comes they will be used. It will be like collecting guns during Katrina. You will not be able to do anything about it unless you know about it ahead of time and are prepared. They will have guns. If you resist they will use them.

reliquary · « **Reply #54 on:** August 11, 2011, 04:40:04 PM »

I'm having a hard time thinking of the language to use to express my anger that, in my America, someone has passed a law that will allow them to take away someone else's private property when a beady-eyed bureaucrat decides that particular person has "too much stuff". This is Nanny State gone rabid.

This gives me another reason to thank God that I live in unincorporated, rural East Texas where Socialism hasn't taken root yet.

We routinely take care of friends and family from the Gulf Coast during hurricane season...I've had over 20 extra people in my house for up to 3 weeks...I HAVE to keep extra supplies on hand. I'll gladly share with those in need, as the Lord teaches, but will not submit to robbery.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #55 on:** August 12, 2011, 08:30:26 AM »

Why is it so strange ? they take homes now to make shopping centers because they generate more tax money. Stash your stuff , don't remain fat when others look starved and KEEP WHAT YOU HAVE TO YOURSELF DON"T TELL EVERYONE . If you tell one person the rest will know by sunset !