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« on: February 19, 2006, 05:50:22 AM »
Remington has announce the Model 798.  I was looking at the Remington web page last night.  http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire_rifles/model_798.asp

This blew my mind and the first time I have been excited over the introduction of a new rifle in a long time.  Do you I think they have had this item in the R&D locker for a long time?  With the USRA(Winchester) taking the Model 70 out of production it open the door for Remington to introduce the M798.  The M70 which copied many of the Mauser 98 and Springfield designs was the flag carrier for control feed actions.  Now Remington has its own control feed rifle.  Remington is up front and says this is a Mauser 98.

From the picture it is a nice looking rifle with a laminated wood stock.

I would not be surprised if we see a number of variations of the M798 in the future as Remington fills the Winchester void.
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« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2006, 06:01:17 AM »
Don't get too excited.  This appears to be an imported rifle with a Western-style stock; nowhere in the ad copy does it say "made in USA".  

IMO this is just another in the growing line of Remington's imported firearms - it's way of trying to stay in business by using the development and manufacturing expertise from a foreign nation.   :roll:

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« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2006, 06:09:35 AM »
The only place on the ad that says made in the USA is that the Brown laminated stock is made in the USA.
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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2006, 07:03:53 AM »
You are correct.  With a little research I found that the rifles will be manufactured by Zastava of Serbia.  The same action had been sold by CharlesDaly.

 http://www.charlesdaly.com/HTML/news_events/WhatsNew.asp
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2006, 07:37:31 AM »
Any guess as to what the average retail price would be for the Charles Daly version of the Mini Mauser?

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2006, 08:03:25 AM »
Why is it that just because it's not made in the USA that it's junk? I understand some of you love buying things made with our pride and our heritage, but sometimes; ya have to go foreign.

An example would be my experience as a musician. I'm primarily a sax player, so I'll use that as an example. Saxophones made in the United States are generally made for students only, and the quality shows. If I have to get a better quality horn (intermediate or professional level), guess where I have to buy from? A company that's either located in Paris, Germany, or from two companies that are based in Japan. My intermediate tenor was made in Taiwan as many of the other "step-up" instruments are.

I know that post might have seemed irrelevant to you, but the overall idea; buying foreign isn't always bad. Even if Remington did it's best to stay in US boundaries for almost two centuries, the times are changing; the US isn't the best in quality (or quantity) production anymore for reasons that are out of our hands. So...there...I said it  :D
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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2006, 08:06:55 AM »
PS...I'm stickying this topic because it's of somewhat importance. 8)
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2006, 10:24:58 AM »
coyote trapper1928:  Check out this link. http://www.charlesdaly.com/html/products/firearms/rifles/barreledActions/mauserBarreled.asp

For a market value I would check out the a future issues of Shotgun News.

If you read the Charles Daly hype this is a quality product.
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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2006, 08:58:07 AM »
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Why is it that just because it's not made in the USA that it's junk?
Why is it that I cannot find a single word in the thread calling foreign rifles junk?  You are putting words in the mouths of folks who do not deserve to be off-handedly misrepresented.  Perhaps you should reconsider your approach and be a bit more relaxed before stirring up a pot which isn't even luke-warm.... :D

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2006, 09:03:22 AM »
Quote from: Lone Star
Don't get too excited.  This appears to be an imported rifle with a Western-style stock; nowhere in the ad copy does it say "made in USA".  

IMO this is just another in the growing line of Remington's imported firearms - it's way of trying to stay in business by using the development and manufacturing expertise from a foreign nation.   :roll:


Err...how does that answer your question?  :D
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 09:55:11 AM »
I like the Mauser 98 action.  I inherited a Husgvarna rifle built on a 98 action.  My father-in-law had purchased it at the U.S. Army PX at Fort Greely, Territory of Alaska in the early 50's.  He collected big game in Alaska and the lower 48 States.  I found it of very good quality and reliable in the field.  When my daughter started looking for her husbands first deer rifle it became his.

Remington is up front in advertising this rifle, they say it is a Mauser 98.  I am looking forward to checking out this rifle.  I wished it was being manufactured in the United States.  That would by a class act.  At one time we were a big exporter, now we are the importer.  Who is going to feed and pay for this monster.  The Adminstration is Out Sourcing our ports, at least part of the large Federal Civilian Fleet Maintaince has been Out Sourced by the Adminstration to a British own company.

 We even import our flu from Asia, and the medication to treat it from England. :shock:

So is the American consummer the problem?  The employee at Winchester buys a foreign car, a TV, and computer manufactured overseas , and a washing machine made in Mexico.  These all come with a label of a former U.S. manufacture.  In turn the Chevy or Ford employee buys a new rifle with a US label but built in Japan.  The new scope  is also manufactured in Japan or Germany.  So the owner of the label, the middle man and the store makes a few bucks.  But the factory worker is out of work, or competing with a non English speaking person for the job at the fast food join.  :(
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2006, 11:17:08 AM »
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Err...how does that answer your question?
Errr...do you have a reading disorder or what?  The OP thought that the 798 was designed and made by Remington.  I was correcting that thought by clearly stating that Remington was using foreign technology and expertise to stay in business; how in the heck can you twist that into me believing that "foreign rifles are junk"?  

* Did I say that I didn't like foreign rifles?  No.
* Did I tell anyone not to buy them?  No.
* Did I say I didn't own any (I do BTW)?  No.  
* Did you try to twist my words into meaning something which I did not say?  Yes.  

Please learn how not to put words into the mouths of others....sheesh.   :D

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« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2006, 02:06:25 PM »
lone star-

i took it that way too...i think the problem is that eye rolling guy you used. it, to me, means that whatever was said right before it, was meant sarcastically. when you said "foreign expertise" and then the eyeroll...do you see what i mean now?

not stirring any pots and just letting you know it wasnt just one person.

oh, and just in case you need to challenge me as well, last i checked, i dont have any reading or mental challenges.

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« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2006, 02:38:31 PM »
Thanks MJB,

I certainly don't want to lock this thread because of a disagreement either. Or delete posts...I certainly don't have a reading disorder and MJB put my views into perspective. Now, let's all get off our stools, and continue talking about Remington, shall we?  :D
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Model 798; not exactly a Mauser 98, or controlled feed
« Reply #14 on: February 21, 2006, 02:01:42 PM »
Gentlemen,

Take a look at the Remington 2006 catalog photographs, the 798 does not have the non-rotating extractor of the Mauser [refer to the inset photo showing the bolt-mounted rotating extractor].  I'm not sure what the function of what appears to be a metal rib where the M98 extractor would be is, but it is not an extractor.  The fully enclosed [recessed] bolt face makes mauser-type controlled feeding impossible.  I'm not saying it is not a good rifle, but it is not a Mauser 98 action.

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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2006, 03:39:00 PM »
Well...if that's true, then that sure bites  :(
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2006, 03:25:06 PM »
I'd like to know if the trigger is adjustable a-la model 700.   is the barrel hammer-forged?    

i hope that with the $599 price tag that we're getting a 'better' rifle than the model 700 sps which lists for $80 less!

can anyone help with some input?

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2006, 03:41:55 AM »
of course its better, first thing is you are not getting a stock made out of the cheapest material known to man that looks so vbad on a sporting rifle, called plastic :D
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