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« on: March 11, 2003, 02:36:52 AM »
Springfield Armory is the way to go they cost  more then the C.D. but they aare well worth it, remember invest in a SPRINGFIELD.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2003, 03:34:53 AM »
I agree that it's better to buy quality.  If saving money is a factor, perhaps you can find a good used one, but 9mms are going to be kind of scarce in 1911.  The people who curse their low-end 1911s seem to have a lot of regrets.  By the way, there's nothing special about the 1911 and I personally find the modern designs to be more practical if you plan to carry the gun. If this is a carry gun, you will probably quit carrying it within a few months because they're simply too heavy and bulky.  If it's for target practice, it ought to be OK, if you get one with adjustable sights.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2003, 04:13:51 AM »
ck:  I have to agree with the Questor on this one, in a number of regards.  A 'low-end' quality 1911 might come right around and bite you in the butt with both quality and operational concerns.  Also, you face the weight and bulk problems with a full sized 1911, if that is to be your intended carry gun.  

I think that if you prefer the 9mm cartridge, whether for ballistic preference/choice or the availability of inexpensive surplus/military ammunition, there are better choices for the 9mm than the 1911.  A lot of folks who have gone the route of 9mm 1911s have registered concerns and complaints about function and reliability.  Remember, the 1911 was built originally to handle the 45 ACP - you may have to work with a 1911 platform to go where you want to with the 9mm.

If you have thought about a 1911 9mm, have you thought about a Browning Hi-Power?  I have owned and used a number of those handguns and they are known for their reliability.  There are Hi-Power clones availalbe as well, and a whole bunch of other handguns out there in the 9mm that might suit your preferences better.  

Although most 9mms don't give you much choice in the way of field use on smaller game, either because of the sights or the ammunition itself, you can get different caliber barrels for a Hi-Power that would make going afield with that P-35 a lot of fun.  The 30 Luger comes to mind immediately and that is a cartridge that can be loaded to shoot pretty flat out to 100 yds.  There are also a bunch of used Manhurin P-38s out there as well as a plethora (I've always wanted to use that word) of 9mms you can choose from.  Hope this helps.  Mikey.

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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2003, 08:38:31 AM »
Springfield's low-end guns, with fixed sights and simple parkerized finish are pretty reasonably priced. I just don't think they make them in 9mm.

I agree with the comments on the Hi-Power. That's a heck of a fine gun for target shooting.  

I guess if we knew whether this was for carry or for some other purpose, we'd be better able to give you our opinions.

By the way, I like the 1911, and own two good ones myself, and shoot 45acp more than all other calibers combined. But I think that today's designs have a lot going for them, ergonomically, economically, and functionally as well.  

If I were in the market for a 9mm carry gun, I'd get one of those small Kahrs.  Anybody know how to pronounce Kahr?
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2003, 09:40:30 AM »
Questor:  Kahr is pronounced Car.

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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2003, 03:53:24 AM »
It sounds like you really want a 1911 of some kind.  Check the springfield armory web site to see if they make a 9mm in their lower cost models. You might also check gunsamerica.com to see if there are any 1911s in 9mm available on the used market.  

The 1911 is a good thing to learn to shoot. It's a good target gun. I shoot them a lot.  The thing I like about them is that they are difficult to master, and when you get good with one, then you are going to shoot just about anything else well.  

I'll always have a hard time thinking of the 1911 as anything but 45ACP or 38 super.  I think that factory 9mm 1911s are a relatively recent development.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2003, 05:33:28 AM »
Chris:  I can well understand the economics of shooting inexpensive or surplus ammo in a 9mm - it's a great way to have fun, hone your skills and save money.  But, with ammo, you get what you pay for and inexpensive surplus or mil-surp ammo may not measure up to the quality I think you would hope/want to find with a 9mm.  Good quality guns stoked with good quality ammunition make for quality shooting fun.  The fun part comes from knowing that the gun/ammo combination can hit the mark when you do your part.  It gets incredibly frustrating when you are doing all the right things, when the handgun you are using is more than capable of the accuracy you demand, but the ammo you are using schmidts the bed.  That used to happen years ago with the 9mms and as a result, many 9mms or the 9mm in general, got a bad rap for accuracy.

Shooting Browning Hi-Powers is a good example, as are the Beretta 92s and the like.  If you take two identical pieces, stoke one with new, quality ammo and the other with run of the mill mil-surp, you will see the difference and understand the different accuracy capabilities of the various brands of ammo.  

The Hi-Powers could get dressed with a Bar-Sto barrel, which always closed those groups right up, unless we were using crap ammo.  Had two right next to each other, one with a stock barrel, one with the Bar-sto barrel.  With new ammo the Bar-Sto barrl reduced groups to just over an inch at 25 yds.  The factory barrel grouped to 2.5 inches.  With mil-surp, the Bar-Sto went to 2.5 inches and the factory barrel went out to about 5.  It was an interesting comparison.  

In this regard, if you order ammo in bulk, you may get as good a deal by ordering larger quanties of newly manufactured amo in bulk than you might with older, poorer quality mil-surp.  

ps:  try an avoid French ammo, it lacks decisiveness.  Mikey.

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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2003, 07:04:30 AM »
I don't know if $350 for the CD is cheap, but it sure sounds like a good price.  From all the discussion here, if it suits your purpose, you ought to buy it.  At $350, you'll be able to try it and use it. If you have to re-sell it, you should be able to get the same price you paid-- if it's a fair price to begin with.  Gunsamerica.com shows a 45acp CD "empire stainless" for $399 (plus shipping and ffl fee). Other 9mms are quite a bit higher.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2003, 11:44:30 AM »
Hello, as much as I'm anti anything made in China I honestly have to mention the Norinco 1911 as the best buy and a little searching should find one at close to $300.00

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2003, 12:14:02 PM »
And why, Henry, are you against anything made in china?

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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2003, 12:59:02 PM »
John, I could more easily explain i face to face over a cold one at the local VFW. Are you a member or would you need a guest pass?

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2003, 01:27:02 PM »
Henry,

I'm a veteran as well.  Not a member of the local VFW though.  Meeting for a cold one sounds good to me!

Just wondering why we as a nation of conspicuous consumers would have anything against manufactured goods from third-rate and third-world nations.

China has come a long way in the last two generations.  They may not be pro-western or pro-US, and their political system stinks, but US companies need them to produce for us and the rest of the world.

Just the beer talking.  sorry about that!
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2003, 01:38:41 PM »
Conspicuous consumers, thanks for the laugh tho true and painful!
John, when I think of China some rather vivid memories leap out from the mid-60s SEA police action as well as the students lubricating Chinese tank tracks more recently but that's just me.
ps, no AKs here either, they make a strangely uncomfortable sound when fired.
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2003, 02:15:55 PM »
well let me tell ya what i think.  i have shot almost every auto pistol i can name, until recently my favorite was a h k usp 45.   then i bought my kimber stainless 2.   i now know what the rave is about the 1911.   my advise is... hold out for a springfield.  the plain jane models can be had very cheap for the quality of the gun.  i have seen them around the 375 mark.  worth the little extra they are asking.