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Offline jakes10mm

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« on: October 18, 2005, 09:42:16 AM »
Would like to hear some opinions on the rebound hammers on a majority of the "litigation" era lever action rifles.  Personally, don't care for the hammer bouncing back at me.  Beyond making the rifles more "lawyer proof", what are the advantages and disadvantages?

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2005, 07:19:23 AM »
By the feel of my crossbolt era M94 winchester there is still some sort of half cock notch in the hammer. With coil springs in these guns it was a simple step to design a guide rod that pops the hammer back to the half cock notch automatically. The rod has a C shaped projection on the end that touches the hammer. One end of the C rides in a notch above the pivot, so that forces the hammer foreward. The projection on the bottom of the C is shorter, and touches below the pivot of the hammer. It doesn't exert as much pressure on the hammer, and only touches once the hammer has traveled foreward past the half cock notch. As long as they were switching to coil springs it was pretty easy to redesign the rifle to automatically return to half cock.

Personally, I don't like it too much. I was thinking about getting an extra guide rod for my M94 and grinding the bottom projection down just short enough to not fully return the hammer to half cock. It would still hold the hammer off the firing pin if I just took enough off. The only problem is that the new hammers don't have much steel in them. If it didn't automatically return to half cock there would be a gap at the back where it goes through the tang. I would be afraid of stuff falling in there while I was hunting.

So no, I don't like the rebounding hammer personally because it takes someting away from the tradition of the rifle to me. It does keep the hammer locked away from the firing pin though, so it might be good for some inexperienced hunter. If the hammer takes a blow when it is resting on the firing pin it could set off the round. Of course, the cross block safety on mine would be an added safety feature if I did make it a half-cock manual gun.

Winchester just put a diferent safety on their rifles though, so it might no longer be possible to make them half cock capable. I believe the hammer has been redesigned from the crossblock days, so it may no longer have that half cock notch in it any more.
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2005, 05:37:30 PM »
Well, looks like I am dead wrong, but I won't go trying to deny what I already said. It looks to me that the hammer rebounds not because of the mainspring, but because of the trigger return spring. The C shaped projections on the spring guide just make it so that the spring is pushing equally above and below the pivot point once the hammer is at the half cock position. I was also wrong, there is no half cock notch that I see. The hammer stays at half cock because the spring holds it there. I was contemplating getting a lighter mainspring to reduce the trigger pull a little, but decided against it. What I did do was take the trigger group apart, and looked it over really carefully to see if my plan would work before I tried to execute it. It would not, I don't think, so I didn't go through with it. I also decided against a lighter mainspring because there were other ways to help lessen the trigger pull. I went through and polished the burrs off of all of the machined surfaces, and oiled the action lightly. The trigger pull is more reasonable now. I can now shoot 2 inch groups at 100 yards pretty easily.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2005, 02:33:46 PM »
My opinion is they stink. Not as bad as the buttons on the reciever sides tho.
I think the hammer ends up resting on a sort of shelf instead of a half cock notch so if you defeated the rebounding part the trigger could be pulled droppng the hammer but I'm not real sure. I like Marlins better anyhow & they retain the half cock even tho they come with a saftey. With a Marln its an easy fix if you choose to lose the saftey, not so with a Winchester. The newfangled tang saftey sure looks better but its still there as is the bouncy hammer.
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2005, 02:58:52 PM »
The pre rebounding hammer 94s have a more solid trigger. You can swap out the lower tang and hammer from a post 64, pre 81 and lose the rebound and regain the half cock.
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