Author Topic: What makes Savages accurate? (Read 2886 times)

Bart Solo · « **Reply #30 on:** September 11, 2005, 05:14:19 PM »

My son and I went to the range again yesterday afternoon. His training with his new savage 30-06 continued. He started off nailing a sub-moa group using 165 grain remington core-lokts.

His father-in-law really likes 180 grain ammunition. His theory is that they cut brush better than lighter bullets. So I had my son fire a batch of 180 grain Winchester ammunition. The first three were low and to the right, so I had him adjust his scope. Pretty soon he was right back on target. I explained that a heavier bullet is going to hit lower than the lighter and different powder will have an impact on his point of aim. He is beginning to catch on. Nothing like practice. He did say that he is going to stick with the lighter bullets. Less kick.

Of course the guys at his shop tell him that he needs to replace the 30-06 with a 7mm Rem Mag. I told him that for a lot of reasons he is better off with the 30-06.

The savage it is a darn accurate rifle. If he catches magnum fevor, maybe he will give me the 30-06.

BTW, I think the accru-trigger is helping him become a better shot. :wink:

rickyp · « **Reply #31 on:** September 11, 2005, 06:49:58 PM »

he will do just fine hunting with the old 30-06. it will still kill an animal as dead today as it did 100 years ago

Bart Solo · « **Reply #32 on:** September 12, 2005, 02:34:39 AM »

I told him that he should tell the guys at the shop that "dead is dead."

Black Jaque Janaviac · « **Reply #33 on:** September 12, 2005, 03:48:49 AM »

Have him tell the guys at the shop, "If you fellas need all the technological help you can get, go for it. As for me, I have enough confidence in my skills that I can succeed with something more primitive."

Instill that attitude and your boy will be asking for a muzzle loader for Christmas.

IowaBuckHunter · « **Reply #34 on:** September 15, 2005, 09:42:24 AM »

Yeah well I guess I would rather date a model with a good personality than an ugly chick with a good personality. Hey, both are going to be nice to talk to, but I know which one I would rather have, so I will stick to my remingtons. And if anyone knows any hotties with a good personality, does she have a sister??

Bart Solo · « **Reply #35 on:** September 16, 2005, 08:25:44 AM »

Quote from: IowaBuckHunter

Yeah well I guess I would rather date a model with a good personality than an ugly chick with a good personality. Hey, both are going to be nice to talk to, but I know which one I would rather have, so I will stick to my remingtons. And if anyone knows any hotties with a good personality, does she have a sister??

:lol: I have never kept my wife (who is a hottie) in a safe between hunting seasons.

Lawdog · « **Reply #36 on:** September 16, 2005, 09:11:59 AM »

Quote from: Ron Byers

Quote from: IowaBuckHunter
Yeah well I guess I would rather date a model with a good personality than an ugly chick with a good personality. Hey, both are going to be nice to talk to, but I know which one I would rather have, so I will stick to my remingtons. And if anyone knows any hotties with a good personality, does she have a sister??

:lol: I have never kept my wife (who is a hottie) in a safe between hunting seasons.

You got that right. :wink: Give me an accurate plain Jane rifle over a gorgeous rifle with only so so(or less) accuracy. Lawdog

IowaBuckHunter · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2005, 07:49:08 PM »

point well taken

Qaz · « **Reply #38 on:** September 22, 2005, 05:37:50 AM »

I know that this thought is probably way out there but, maybe the savage just fits you better. I have Savage, winchester, Remington, Stevens to name a few and the style of each particular rifle fits me and I shoot them well. That is not to say that I would shoot ALL Savage or Remington models well.
When I was in high school, a bunch of us went out shooting on afternoon. We were about finished for the day when one of the guys said, bring Qaz the Mauser. The owner said try this rifle, you will really like it. I started at 50yrds and then was shooting skillet handles at 100yrds offhand. It wasn't a case of hitting the handle every now and then either, it was shot after shot. Who would ever think that a old mauser would shoot that well! It just felt like a natural extention of my arm.
Every gun that I own is the same way, if it doesn't feel completely perfect (even the trigger) to MY hands and body the first time I pick it up then I don't buy it. I think alot of pistols get a bad rap because it doesn't fit the person shooting it!

Bart Solo · « **Reply #39 on:** September 22, 2005, 10:23:44 AM »

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I think alot of pistols get a bad rap because it doesn't fit the person shooting it!

I had a Glock once that wouldn't hit the broadside of a barn. I would have been better off throwing the damn thing at a bad guy. I showed it to another guy, with slightly longer fingers, and he loved it. It shot great for him. I traded the pistol to him for a shotgun. Good trade for both of us. The Glock just didn't fit my hand, and because it was a Glock there was no changing it.

jhm · « **Reply #40 on:** September 22, 2005, 02:32:53 PM »

I wouldnt want to bet the farm and everything else I have been able to collect over the years, but I would say the reason Savages are accurate is the High quality REMINGTON and WINCHESTER ammo thats being fired in them, I could be wrong but it would have to be proven to me.

JIM

rickyp · « **Reply #41 on:** September 23, 2005, 02:47:44 AM »

I have never fired a single factroy round out of my savage. so it could not be high quilaty winchester and remington loads :-D

Lawdog · « **Reply #42 on:** September 24, 2005, 09:30:11 AM »

Quote from: rickyp

I have never fired a single factroy round out of my savage. so it could not be high quilaty winchester and remington loads :-D

Ditto. :-D Lawdog

hkg3k · « **Reply #43 on:** October 21, 2005, 02:05:25 PM »

I guess it boils down to what rifle functions are important to you. To me, it is reliability and accuracy. Accuracy doesn't much matter if reliability isn't there, and vice versa. Each are both complimentary and essential of one another in my view. Looks are secondary and with the vast accessory market out there, anyone with a desire to individualize his or her rifle may do so. I don't hear anyone commenting or complaining of their Savage rifles breaking down.

I've read thru this thread with interest b/c I have my 1st Savage rifle on the way.........an 11FCNS in .270 short mag. It will fill a couple of voids......my desire to get into a short mag and to see if all the Savage accuracy testimonials are true. The Savage can do this rather economically. I have the confidence in my shooting to give the rifle a fair evaluation.

To those who call the Savage "junk" and "low quaility." and just can't seem to figure out how such a rifle of questionable breeding can produce such results. I say it appears Savage does the right thing and spends their money on Engingeering. The Savage has features that enhance performance the other companies can't or won't embrace. Floating bolt head and barrel nut are probably the 2 biggest contributors. Dan Wesson revolvers are also know for outstanding accuracy and also incorporate a secondary bbl tensioner.

I see the new Mossberg ATR also has a bbl nut and the benefit of that secondary tensioner........and I think they one-upped Savage with their design which is smooth and and doesn't look like a conventional nut.

The "my Brand X is prettier than your Savage" argument reminds me of German weapons development during WW2. When our ordinance guys first got a look at the MG42, they all laughed at the cheap, silly, stamped sheet metal gun.........then Colonel George Chinn, USMC took a look at the MG42 and immediately knew what our troops facing this weapon would come to know.......its effectiveness, reliability and longevity. The Germans also fielded other notable "cheap stamped weapons" such as the MP40 and the MP/STG 43-44. They figured out good engineering could overcome inferior materials to make a superior product.

I appreciate a finely crafted firearm, but for myself can't respect a $2k blue steel and walnut work of art which can't shoot moa with quality factory ammo.......its like a Ferrari that can't turn a 18 second quarter mile. Give me the Corvette Z06.....a world-beater in performance engineered to arrive at a price point the "masses" can afford.